AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[five8five]

I think people stuck home, not able to spend money on holidays and normal going out spending has left a surplus, the fall you expect I personally feel will be next year, the jobs market is going to be broken for a very long time, and the cash people have now will run out eventually.

Everything will crash but I suspect not until mid next year.

Yeah, you could be right.

 

[Nablaoperator]

No just people taking speculation based on rumours as gospel.

Common.. i tried to even calculate my way to it

 

[Rroff]

I have seen very few people (if any) post anything other than speculation or hopes on how the AMD Navi 2 launch will go. I genuinely have not seen someone post a claim that AMD 100% will have a perfect launch, so you are making a straw-man argument.

Example: Someone posts IF (or I hope) AMD have a good GPU in plentiful supply at a good price, then they will get a lot of sales because of Nvidia's lack of supply. That statement is speculative by virtue of the fact it is qualified with an IF or I hope. It is therefore illogical to reply to that post stating "you will look stupid IF AMD don't deliver", because you are replying to a purely speculative assumption. Ergo, it is impossible for the person who made the speculative claim to look in any way silly.

Your posting in this way looks like Nvidia apologetics and pre-emptive whataboutism. Regardless of how AMDs launch, it is a 100% fact that Nvidia's 30X0 launch (not the physical GPUs) is poor. No amount of "but AMD" will diminish that fact.

Maybe you should look a little closer at the posts I've been replying to when I've made comments like that and not just my post in isolation.

EDIT: I'll spell it out - I've only made comments like that response to certain posts where people have left no stone unturned trying to find any and every way they can fling some dirt at nVidia over the launch even if it means distorting the truth or over-exaggerating an issue while on the other hand bigging up AMD - I don't think any of them have actually claimed that AMD will have a 100% perfect launch that isn't what I'm responding to.

They will look kind of silly in hindsight if AMD has the same kind of launch issues as nVidia so would be better off toning it down a bit and/or waiting to crow until AMD has actually delivered.

 

[humbug]

I have seen very few people (if any) post anything other than speculation or hopes on how the AMD Navi 2 launch will go. I genuinely have not seen someone post a claim that AMD 100% will have a perfect launch, so you are making a straw-man argument.

Example: Someone posts IF (or I hope) AMD have a good GPU in plentiful supply at a good price, then they will get a lot of sales because of Nvidia's lack of supply. That statement is speculative by virtue of the fact it is qualified with an IF or I hope. It is therefore illogical to reply to that post stating "you will look stupid IF AMD don't deliver", because you are replying to a purely speculative assumption. Ergo, it is impossible for the person who made the speculative claim to look in any way silly.

Your posting in this way looks like Nvidia apologetics and pre-emptive whataboutism. Regardless of how AMDs launch, it is a 100% fact that Nvidia's 30X0 launch (not the physical GPUs) is poor. No amount of "but AMD" will diminish that fact.

This.

People need to chill the #### out with hanging on every word people make in this thread waiting to berate them when their hopes or speculations turn out to have been wrong, no one likes a #### head so cool it.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Just trying to speculate my way above 80 CUs.
Does anyone know what is the minimum cluster size?
I would like to fantasize that a bit

 

[Soapysage]

Just trying to speculate my way above 80 CUs.
Does anyone know what is the minimum cluster size?
I would like to fantasize that a bit

Well someone had worked out the 536mm2 die would technically have enough space for 120CUs

 

[KentMan]

Maybe you should look a little closer at the posts I've been replying to when I've made comments like that and not just my post in isolation.

EDIT: I'll spell it out - I've only made comments like that response to certain posts where people have left no stone unturned trying to find any and every way they can fling some dirt at nVidia over the launch even if it means distorting the truth or over-exaggerating an issue while on the other hand bigging up AMD - I don't think any of them have actually claimed that AMD will have a 100% perfect launch that isn't what I'm responding to.

They will look kind of silly in hindsight if AMD has the same kind of launch issues as nVidia so would be better off toning it down a bit and/or waiting to crow until AMD has actually delivered.

Hes talking about me, apparently listing all the failings of the current Ampere launch is akin to leaving no stones unturned in an desperate attempt to flame Nvidia... Pretty sure they have already succeeded in doing that themselves, quite why Rroff continually feels the need to downplay anything negative to Nvidia is beyond me, and then equally in the same breath admit he would never ever buy AMD products.. leaves me thinking perhaps he has a vested interest in Nvidia, afterall he is often quick to defend their practices.

Im sorry if pointing out all of the Nvidia failings in this launch irks you @Rroff but it is what it is, only a fool would defend Nvidias actions, while you remain correct that AMD may yet not have a good a launch as well, i will concede that to you, but they would have to really go some to mess up as badly as Nvidia and its partners have this time round.

 

[KentMan]

Well someone had worked out the 536mm2 die would technically have enough space for 120CUs

More likely it has a whacking huge great big lump of cache and not 120 CU's lol

 

[Rroff]

Hes talking about me

You are not the only person I've posted a response along those lines to there is https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33961655 and a couple of times to other posters.

(Personally I hope AMD do have a good launch even if that is more for selfish reasons on my own part).

same breath admit he would never ever buy AMD products..

Personally I dislike AMD for a number of reasons none the less I believe they've held back progress in a number of areas when it was in their means to push them forward such as hardware accelerated physics and while nVidia have done as bad and worse their ethics - but I encountered that with ATI/AMD before I encountered that with nVidia so the die was already cast so to speak. But I don't go around taking every chance to rip into them, going to silly lengths to find any and every reason to fling mud at them and give them credit when credit is due, etc. and I've also been pretty critical of nVidia at times - probably more so actually than AMD - but for some reason some people only seem to see one side of it.

 

[ICDP]

Maybe you should look a little closer at the posts I've been replying to when I've made comments like that and not just my post in isolation.

EDIT: I'll spell it out - I've only made comments like that response to certain posts where people have left no stone unturned trying to find any and every way they can fling some dirt at nVidia over the launch even if it means distorting the truth or over-exaggerating an issue while on the other hand bigging up AMD - I don't think any of them have actually claimed that AMD will have a 100% perfect launch that isn't what I'm responding to.

They will look kind of silly in hindsight if AMD has the same kind of launch issues as nVidia so would be better off toning it down a bit and/or waiting to crow until AMD has actually delivered.

What I am seeing is you responding to anything negative being posted about Nvidia and going defensive. For example:

• Factual statement: Nvidia 30X0 launch is a mess
• Your response is to ignore that actual point being made and use an non-sequitur to deflect from the actual point. "Yeah but you will look silly if AMD mess up as well".

So again, I reiterate my point that whatever AMD may do is irrelevant to what Nvidia HAVE done.

 

[humbug]

Hes talking about me, apparently listing all the failings of the current Ampere launch is akin to leaving no stones unturned in an desperate attempt to flame Nvidia... Pretty sure they have already succeeded in doing that themselves, quite why Rroff continually feels the need to downplay anything negative to Nvidia is beyond me, and then equally in the same breath admit he would never ever buy AMD products.. leaves me thinking perhaps he has a vested interest in Nvidia, afterall he is often quick to defend their practices.

Im sorry if pointing out all of the Nvidia failings in this launch irks you @Rroff but it is what it is, only a fool would defend Nvidias actions, while you remain correct that AMD may yet not have a good a launch as well, i will concede that to you, but they would have to really go some to mess up as badly as Nvidia and its partners have this time round.

Why are people using this thread to counterargument Nvidia's cited failings? Surely this is the wrong thread for that?

 

[Rroff]

What I am seeing is you responding to anything negative being posted about Nvidia and going defensive. For example:

• Factual statement: Nvidia 30X0 launch is a mess
• Your response is to ignore that actual point being made and use an non-sequitur to deflect from the actual point. "Yeah but you will look silly if AMD mess up as well".

So again, I reiterate my point that whatever AMD may do is irrelevant to what Nvidia HAVE done.

Only there was more to it than factual statement nVidia launch was a mess... including conflating things outside of nVidia's control as being part of problems they've made for themselves - but I couldn't be bothered to go into it in detail none the less it would have been a bit petty to pull it all apart as my intention despite what you are seeing isn't to defend nVidia over it - I just like to see some objectivity.

EDIT: For instance conflating as per his point 5 "Cards manufactured with inferior components" with nVidia being spooked - the only inferior components I'm aware of (unless he is still trying to beat a dead horse out of the capacitor stuff) is the power connectors on certain Gigabyte cards - buildzoid took an in-depth look at the nVidia FE cards and was mostly praising them for the quality of components used.

 

[five8five]

Why are people using this thread to counterargument list Nvidia's cited failings? Surely this is the wrong thread for that?

Fixed.

 

[Richdog]

What I am seeing is you responding to anything negative being posted about Nvidia and going defensive. For example:

• Factual statement: Nvidia 30X0 launch is a mess
• Your response is to ignore that actual point being made and use an non-sequitur to deflect from the actual point. "Yeah but you will look silly if AMD mess up as well".

So again, I reiterate my point that whatever AMD may do is irrelevant to what Nvidia HAVE done.

Roff really, really loves the sound of his own e-voice and seems to suffer from infallibility syndrome, that much is clear. He is just now repeating himself incessantly with his lack of objectivity surrounding the Ampere launch. It's very odd.

 

[KentMan]

Why are people using this thread to counterargument Nvidia's cited failings? Surely this is the wrong thread for that?

Probably my fault as i listed all of the current failings in an earlier post here, im pretty sure presenting all the current cold hard facts upset some of the nvidia fans on the forum

What do they say about the stages of Grief? Shock and Denial.... Pain and Guilt... Anger and Bargaining...Depression...Upward turn...Reconstruction and working through....Acceptance and hope...

Well most AMD fans are used to the earliest stages and most are permanently now stuck on the final stage of Acceptance and Hope every release hahah I think the Nvidia fans are just not used to being on the earlier stages of Grief lmao

 

[Rroff]

Roff really, really loves the sound of his own e-voice and seems to suffer from infallibility syndrome, that much is clear. He is just now repeating himself incessantly with his lack of objectivity surrounding the Ampere launch. It's very odd.

LOLs... funny how your ego is for some reason challenged by me.

 

[james.miller]

Personally I dislike AMD for a number of reasons none the less I believe they've held back progress in a number of areas when it was in their means to push them forward such as hardware accelerated physics and while nVidia have done as bad and worse their ethics - but I encountered that with ATI/AMD before I encountered that with nVidia so the die was already cast so to speak. But I don't go around taking every chance to rip into them, going to silly lengths to find any and every reason to fling mud at them and give them credit when credit is due, etc. and I've also been pretty critical of nVidia at times - probably more so actually than AMD - but for some reason some people only seem to see one side of it.

It's like we're back in 2008 again, just replace 'AMD' with 'ATi'. Back then it was you telling us all how ATi got it wrong for pushing dx10 when everybody wanted dx9 games, and me reminding you nVidia get there first with a Dx10 GPU which zero games supported. I thought you got over that bias Rroff, it's been 12 years!.

 

[KentMan]

Only there was more to it than factual statement nVidia launch was a mess... including conflating things outside of nVidia's control as being part of problems they've made for themselves - but I couldn't be bothered to go into it in detail none the less it would have been a bit petty to pull it all apart as my intention despite what you are seeing isn't to defend nVidia over it - I just like to see some objectivity.

While i wholeheartedly agree on this actually... it is easier to lump the partner issues into pointing the finger at Nvidia as a whole... if they had controlled the launch a bit better and actually checked that their partners were not using inferior parts a lot of the issues on the launch regarding POSCAPS etc would have been negated.

If they had bothered to keep an eye on Partners like MSI, that issue could well have been avoided, its not like MSI dont have recent shady history with stuff like this, although again Nvidia can be blamed for some of that with rubbish like GPP.

Cards coming out of boxes and having to rely on an Nvidia patch to downclock them, again, something Nvidia should have controlled from the get go.

But lets spin it this way... if this had been AMD and its partners, this would be headline news for weeks on end and the finger would have been SOLELY pointed at AMD, no one else, just AMD. There is NO defending NVidia over this, they choose their partners, they should have standards that are requirements to be met. The fact is this launch was laughable from the get go and its still continuing to unearth ridiculousness on an almost daily basis.

Now if that is an issue for you, i think you need to get your bigboy pants on, take a deep breath, and look the other way.

 

[w1llyg]

All I want is to play COD Warzone at Ultra @ 1440P 144 FPS for £550 would be nice

My current 5700xt hits 110 at medium settings, sniping at a distance waiting for the map to buffer through the scope is frustrating.

 

[Rroff]

While i wholeheartedly agree on this actually... it is easier to lump the partner issues into pointing the finger at Nvidia as a whole... if they had controlled the launch a bit better and actually checked that their partners were not using inferior parts a lot of the issues on the launch regarding POSCAPS etc would have been negated.

If they had bothered to keep an eye on Partners like MSI, that issue could well have been avoided, its not like MSI dont have recent shady history with stuff like this, although again Nvidia can be blamed for some of that with rubbish like GPP.

Cards coming out of boxes and having to rely on an Nvidia patch to downclock them, again, something Nvidia should have controlled from the get go.

But lets spin it this way... if this had been AMD and its partners, this would be headline news for weeks on end. There is NO defending NVidia over this, they choose their partners, they should have standards that are requirements to be met. The fact is this launch was laughable from the get go and its still continuing to unearth ridiculousness on an almost daily basis.

Now if that is an issue for you, i think you need to get your bigboy pants on, take a deep breath, and look the other way.

That whole POSCAP issue did not boil down to inferior components - as pointed out the capacitors that people were branding around as cheap and POSCAP were neither POSCAPs or cheaper than the alternative setup!

The problem there seems to stem from a mixture of faulty boost algorithm in the Windows version of the nVidia drivers (as people were unable to replicate it with the Linux drivers) and insufficient binning of cores to ensure stability exacerbated by nVidia not giving partners the proper tools (for instance only having access to locked down drivers) or the time to test the cards thoroughly before launch.

If you are gonna criticise nVidia at least get the details right :s

EDIT: The thread on those capacitors is a prime example of what I'm talking about here - from the start I was saying the problem was not what people were talking about but everyone was in such a hurry to rubbish nVidia they went with it as hard fact before the details were even known and people are still talking about POSCAPs now... this is the kind of stuff I respond to - I don't care to defend nVidia in the way some including you think I do from a one sided reading of my posts.