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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Probably my fault as i listed all of the current failings in an earlier post here, im pretty sure presenting all the current cold hard facts upset some of the nvidia fans on the forum :(

What do they say about the stages of Grief? Shock and Denial.... Pain and Guilt... Anger and Bargaining...Depression...Upward turn...Reconstruction and working through....Acceptance and hope...

Well most AMD fans are used to the earliest stages and most are permanently now stuck on the final stage of Acceptance and Hope every release hahah :) I think the Nvidia fans are just not used to being on the earlier stages of Grief lmao

I would have thought all the fires in the Nvidia threads would be more pressing than what's going on in here....
 
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The Nvidia 30X0 launch debacle exists in a vacuum and would still be a launch debacle no matter what AMD does with Navi. If AMD also mess up it does not somehow make Ampere launch any better.

No it doesn't. Nvidia's launch was fail.

But who is the bigger fool? The fool who stumbles and falls on a ditch, or the one behind him, that does the same thing and then breaks a leg?:cool:
 

Basically what people have been claiming - 80 CUs big parts, 40 CUs for the mid.

There isn't really much more info that means much in there and even then a lot of it doesn't seem to be necessarily identified correctly.

EDIT: That doesn't mean that is the specs that will be launched either - just means that the firmware is capable of supporting those specs.

EDIT2: Quite a bit of suggestion of additional (sideport/DMA type) IO capabilities - possibly related to something like TrueAudio but may be a feature we haven't seen yet.
 
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Ahh that is probably because you are a massive Nvidia fan and one can pretty much garauntee wherever there is anything negative said about Nvidia, you are soon to show up and shout it down :) i have seen your numerous posts over the years, enough to make me think you may actually work for them in some capacity :)
He is a Nvidia fan
 
This.

People need to chill the #### out with hanging on every word people make in this thread waiting to berate them when their hopes or speculations turn out to have been wrong, no one likes a #### head so cool it.

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@Rroff please stop defending this launch from Nvidia it's comedy atm. It's as close to a paper launch as you can get. Guy was 3rd in line for a 3080 at the biggest store in his city (Canada) and never got one as they only had two. All the evidence points to Nvidia releasing to early. I get the fact you like Nvidia products and there is no problem there, after all you bought a 5800 over the far superior 9800 which man shows how devoted you are to the cause.

My point is stop defending the brand when there is no defence it's a rubbish launch but at least the product and price is half decent if only people could get one. I say half decent because after 2080ti prices this launch is way better but no where near what it used to be.
 
He is a Nvidia fan

Yeah quite irritating, but "Im on the fence, a neutral", when clearly not. Quite a few of these, if anyone was truly neutral it would be hard to pin the flags they fly..

My point is stop defending the brand when there is no defence it's a rubbish launch but at least the product and price is half decent if only people could get one. I say half decent because after 2080ti prices this launch is way better but no where near what it used to be.

Right. Its not an us vs them thing to base it on, nvidia are a company and the critique is at them, stop defending actions that need no defending. Take it on the chin, they ****** up and quite big IMO.

Why are people using this thread to counterargument Nvidia's cited failings? Surely this is the wrong thread for that?

Yep.
 
@Rroff please stop defending this launch from Nvidia it's comedy atm. It's as close to a paper launch as you can get. Guy was 3rd in line for a 3080 at the biggest store in his city (Canada) and never got one as they only had two. All the evidence points to Nvidia releasing to early. I get the fact you like Nvidia products and there is no problem there, after all you bought a 5800 over the far superior 9800 which man shows how devoted you are to the cause.

My point is stop defending the brand when there is no defence it's a rubbish launch but at least the product and price is half decent if only people could get one.

My intention isn't to defend it - I just have very little tolerance for the distortion and conflation of information so as to fling mud - such as trying to stick the MSI issues on nVidia as if they should be policing MSI's internal decision making which is clearly ridiculous (though they should take action in response to it but that is another matter) or misleading and incorrectly using the capacitors issue because it is more damaging than the truth (which doesn't look good on nVidia either).

PS It was a 5900XT Gainward GS blah blah edition that overclocked like crazy (50% core, 40% memory or something) which made up the performance difference - though that didn't make up for the low res shaders and colour banding when games started to use newer versions of DX features, the better ATI cards like the 9800 pro didn't release until 4-5 months later. I wouldn't have touched the 5800 series with a bargepole.
 
Couple more hours til Ryzen launch.. hoping to see just a smidgen of Radeon given as a teaser, they would be mad not to, wet a few appetites right now, especially with the Nvidia Ampere launch debacle... just a polite reminder for people to maybe wait and see :)

Obviously they'll be damned if they do and damned if they dont, as one lot will say "AMD leaked best case scenarios that are not real world" if they happen to show anything positive, and if they dont show anything it will just be "AMD not showing Radeon as they already know its DOA"..

I wonder how many people like me will be watching just for a chance to see RDNA2 instead of actual Zen 3? lol... im tempted to trade up my 3800X for the equivalent Zen3 8c 16t chip, depending on how much perf im going to get as i already have an X570 BIOS patched to support Zen3, so im ready to go, but depending on price and how much perf i will gain it remains to be seen if i will personally bite.

Playing 20 yr old games as my main source of gaming means im not really using my CPU much anyhow :) however i do like a bit of CoD lately and Division 2 plus with Cyberpunk coming maybe that extra bit of perf will help
 
My intention isn't to defend it - I just have very little tolerance for the distortion and conflation of information so as to fling mud - such as trying to stick the MSI issues on nVidia as if they should be policing MSI's internal decision making which is clearly ridiculous (though they should take action in response to it but that is another matter) or misleading and incorrectly using the capacitors issue because it is more damaging than the truth (which doesn't look good on nVidia either).

PS It was a 5900XT Gainward GS blah blah edition that overclocked like crazy (50% core, 40% memory or something) which made up the performance difference - though that didn't make up for the low res shaders and colour banding when games started to use newer versions of DX features, the better ATI cards like the 9800 pro didn't release until 4-5 months later. I wouldn't have touched the 5800 series with a bargepole.

Ahhh see i say its Nvidias fault because really it is, they pick and choose their partners, and by all accounts are quite demanding and normally have decently high standards that need to be met. Any company relying on others to promote its brand normally insists certain criteria is met. So by your thoughts, if your company let one of its partner companies resell your companies products at a higher inflated price and in the process tarnish the brands name, you'd be completely fine with that.

And again as for inferior components, im fairly certain Nvidia insists on a specific design to be met for their products with their partners, hence the reference schematics all being supplied to them, so either Nvidia skimped out on rubbish components or the partners cut corners and Nvidia condones this? either which means the finger still points at Nvidia.. or are you saying Nvidia supplies the designs to the partners and does not care what they put on them, and that is entirely down the the partners to validate etc? in which case, see my first point about tarnishing a brands rep.

Basically at the end of the day, you are trying to cloud the issue by saying none of this is Nvidias fault, when indeed if we look closely, all of it can be circumvented by Nvidia enforcing and ensuring that their partners adhere to specific procedures and manufacturing requirements, and business behaviour.

They didnt, it hasnt... Nvidia can be blamed for lack of care about its brand and rep. To be fair you almost pull off your defence of the indefensible, kudos for trying.
 
My intention isn't to defend it - I just have very little tolerance for the distortion and conflation of information so as to fling mud - such as trying to stick the MSI issues on nVidia as if they should be policing MSI's internal decision making which is clearly ridiculous (though they should take action in response to it but that is another matter) or misleading and incorrectly using the capacitors issue because it is more damaging than the truth (which doesn't look good on nVidia either).

PS It was a 5900XT Gainward GS blah blah edition that overclocked like crazy (50% core, 40% memory or something) which made up the performance difference - though that didn't make up for the low res shaders and colour banding when games started to use newer versions of DX features, the better ATI cards like the 9800 pro didn't release until 4-5 months later. I wouldn't have touched the 5800 series with a bargepole.
Do you hate or dislike AMD Rroff? :p
 
Ahhh see i say its Nvidias fault because really it is, they pick and choose their partners, and by all accounts are quite demanding and normally have decently high standards that need to be met. Any company relying on others to promote its brand normally insists certain criteria is met. So by your thoughts, if your company let one of its partner companies resell your companies products at a higher inflated price and in the process tarnish the brands name, you'd be completely fine with that.

And again as for inferior components, im fairly certain Nvidia insists on a specific design to be met for their products with their partners, hence the reference schematics all being supplied to them, so either Nvidia skimped out on rubbish components or the partners cut corners and Nvidia condones this? either which means the finger still points at Nvidia.. or are you saying Nvidia supplies the designs to the partners and does not care what they put on them, and that is entirely down the the partners to validate etc? in which case, see my first point about tarnishing a brands rep.

Basically at the end of the day, you are trying to cloud the issue by saying none of this is Nvidias fault, when indeed if we look closely, all of it can be circumvented by Nvidia enforcing and ensuring that their partners adhere to specific procedures and manufacturing requirements, and business behaviour.

They didnt, it hasnt... Nvidia can be blamed for lack of care about its brand and rep. To be fair you almost pull off your defence of the indefensible, kudos for trying.

Holding a company to account yes - but it isn't nVidia's responsibility to police day to day decision making inside another company which you were trying to suggest which is quite ridiculous - hence my accusations you will leave no stone unturned in trying to find anything to fling at nVidia even if it means distorting or misleading information.

Where are these inferior components? as pointed out the capacitors were not a case of inferior components.

Do you hate or dislike AMD Rroff? :p

I don't like AMD - but I don't go around trying to find everything I can, no matter how tenuous, to paint them in a bad light. And many times I've given credit where credit is due such as the 2600(X) which was and is a brilliant product I've recommended many times and built over a dozen system with them for other people (even though I'd never buy one myself).
 
My intention isn't to defend it - I just have very little tolerance for the distortion and conflation of information so as to fling mud - such as trying to stick the MSI issues on nVidia as if they should be policing MSI's internal decision making which is clearly ridiculous (though they should take action in response to it but that is another matter) or misleading and incorrectly using the capacitors issue because it is more damaging than the truth (which doesn't look good on nVidia either).

PS It was a 5900XT Gainward GS blah blah edition that overclocked like crazy (50% core, 40% memory or something) which made up the performance difference - though that didn't make up for the low res shaders and colour banding when games started to use newer versions of DX features, the better ATI cards like the 9800 pro didn't release until 4-5 months later. I wouldn't have touched the 5800 series with a bargepole.

Still though the smart buy was ATI at the time and anyone with knowledge and no bias would have made the smart decision at the time. Surely you can agree on that.

Basically i look at performance and how much it costs. ATI and AMD always win out. That's not bias that's smart thinking for me. Why pay more for the same experience as not once in 20 years have Nvidia gave me that option. You on the other hand will buy Nvidia no matter the cost. Stop thinking about the brand that lets you play games and think about power/performance/cost.
 
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I'm in half a mind between sticking a Xeon 1650 or 1680 V2 in there or buying a new setup - the X79 platform holds up surprisingly well if you get a good overclocking chip. But only if I can source the CPUs fairly cheap.

It holds up surprisingly well - the X79 platform has quad channel RAM and with 4.6GHz on the CPU in many games it is only 15-18% behind the latest Ryzen CPUs for 1440p gaming. I've been holding on to the GPU as I don't want to spend money on Turing and most of the time I keep going back to BF4 and The Division 1 as most of the new games I've tried don't hold my attention and/or I find them clunky to play, etc.
You're like me fella, just not bothered upgrading anything, this x79 and Xeon is coping with everything I throw at it and it'll take the new AMD card as well... so, running a lot of my stuff at 4k, BF5 running 90fps with a 84% on the image using RIS enabled with sharpness at 80% and all games look fantastic and run well as well!
 
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Holding a company to account yes - but it isn't nVidia's responsibility to police day to day decision making inside another company which you were trying to suggest which is quite ridiculous - hence my accusations you will leave no stone unturned in trying to find anything to fling at nVidia even if it means distorting or misleading information.

Where are these inferior components? as pointed out the capacitors were not a case of inferior components.

But my point remains, if this was AMD that had this launch with all these issues, you and many others would be all over this like a rash :) But i think we can old Nvidia to account over the shady stuff MSI has been doing, was it not Nvidia who proposed the GPP rubbish? if they condone these things at the top, no wonder partners are pulling these kinds of stunts. Poop rolls down hill as they say.

As for the Caps issue, ok they may not be inferior, despite reports of many other manufacturers actually pointing out they are inferior to other types, i am not an electrical minded person so my knowledge here is rubbish and im ok admitting it, however i find it funny that many of the manufacturers actually changed the design post launch, some even recalling some of the cards that were sold.

There are many posts over Reddit and these very forums pointing out the design fail from some partners with these cards compared to other partners. So somewhere a decision was made to cut corners by some partners.

Why has Nvidia not insisted that all cards based on reference design be the same, but with just the cooling method changed? it seems not all partners did this, did it not? not if we are seeing "Reference" based cards with different components on the back of them, causing outrage as some are recalled, and others looking like the partners had skimped out on actual decent components for the cards while others have done a good job (Asus of all people).

So again, as far as im concerned there is no defending this, for a Reference based card the only thing that should really be changed is the cooler bolted onto it and potentially OC. If you start changing the power delivery away from the reference design then you better make sure the new design and components are fit for purpose, if they are not, again you are not only diminishing your brand but the name Nvidia gets dragged into the mud as well, so again, Nvidia should be policing these, and im fairly certain much of this stuff when based on reference design is policed by Nvidia.

Once AIBs start sporting their own designs, Nvidia is fully within their rights to stand back put the blame back on the Partner if the design sucks.
 
Still though the smart buy was ATI at the time and anyone with knowledge and no bias would have made the smart decision at the time. Surely you can agree on that.

Basically i look at performance and how much it costs. ATI and AMD always win out. That's not bias that's smart thinking for me. Why pay more for the same experience as not once in 20 years have Nvidia gave me that option. You on the other hand will buy Nvidia no matter the cost. Stop thinking about the brand that lets you play games and think about power/performance/cost.

I don't buy ATI/AMD simple as. What other people do is up to them and I never let that cloud my advice when advising other people on purchasing decisions.

Anyhow I played a lot of Quake 3 back then - the 5900XT walked all over the 9700 pro in Quake 3 and the 9800 pro wasn't released until later. The Gainward GS edition held up well, one of the few cards that did, against the ATI cards of the time thankfully.

You're like me fella, just not bothered upgrading anything, this x79 and Xeon is coping with everything I throw at it and it'll take the new AMD card as well... so, running a lot of my stuff at 4k, BF5 running 90fps with a 84% on the image using RIS enabled with sharpness at 80% and all games look fantastic and run well as well!

In many ways I wish the X79 platform didn't hold up so well in terms of features and performance - it is much harder to justify spending money on upgrading when it still holds in there.
 
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I don't buy ATI/AMD simple as. What other people do is up to them and I never let that cloud my advice when advising other people on purchasing decisions.

Anyhow I played a lot of Quake 3 back then - the 5900XT walked all over the 9700 pro in Quake 3 and the 9800 pro wasn't released until later. The Gainward GS edition held up well, one of the few cards that did, against the ATI cards of the time thankfully.



In many ways I wish the X79 platform didn't hold up so well in terms of features and performance - it is much harder to justify spending money on upgrading when it still holds in there.

You should never give advice as you only have one option. Never ask for advice from a one tracked mind. Nobody i have ever talked to or listened to think Nvidia was a great option back then. At least when i give advice i am trying to get people to buy whats good for the money. You on the other hand are just saying Nvidia. Seriously though it's so close to being a paper launch as you can see from the owners thread. Yea there is some owners but far less than usual as the stock is so low
 
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