AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Rroff]

I think it will be priced about the same as the RTX 3070. It's no coincendance Nvidia is launching it the day after the RX 6000 series launch date.

The 5700 XT launched at 400 dollars, so hopefully it won't be a massive increase in cost. Maybe they could sell an identical version of the GPU, but with less VRAM.

Not sure if I'm misreading/missing something but doesn't make sense for nVidia to launch the 3070 a day after the reveal if AMD show they have a better card at the 3070 price point.

Given the pricing on their 5000 series CPUs as well as other factors I've mentioned recently I'll be surprised if they are disruptive on price and don't sit inline with the nVidia product stack.

 

[g67575]

If it's over £500 AMD will price a lot of people out, including me

Does it make sense to charge more (for the GPU in the slides) than the RTX 3070 when the perf isn't drastically better? We know the RTX 3070 performance is pretty similar in games, vs the RTX 2080 TI, based on these slides:
https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3070-Performance.jpg

When Nvidia made the RTX 3070 launch date announcement, they didn't necessarily know the perf. of the RDNA 2 GPU shown today in the AMD slides. Although, there's probably other factors for the delay too, like the stock situation with the RTX 3080.

 

[SpudMaster]

Going by the Zen3 pricing I don't expect AMD to really undercut Nvidia that much. They might just price it the same as the RTX3080,but have more VRAM.

Maybe but imo that would be a bad move. Ryzen cpus have now got a good reputation so they can afford to charge a bit more but unfortunately for a lot of people Radeon gpus are seen as inferior regardless of their performance

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Maybe but imo that would be a bad move. Ryzen cpus have now got a good reputation so they can afford to charge a bit more but unfortunately for a lot of people Radeon gpus are seen as inferior regardless of their performance

They have been behind Intel for years regarding gaming,and the moment they are similar or a bit faster,the price goes up magically,they drop CPU coolers,etc. AMD basically took the 65W TDP successor to the Ryzen 5 3600,made it an X series(pushed up one tier),bundled the same rubbish Wraith Spire cpu cooler,and made it a $300 CPU instead of a $200 one.

So looking at how much the Fury X,Vega64 and Vega7 cost,do you think if AMD gets close to a RTX3080,it will be cheaper?? They also tarted up the cooler,and it is a bigger 7NM chip than a CPU.

Remember what they did with Navi10? Navi10 in GPU die size,is a traditional AMD mainstream GPU like AMD Ellesmere/Polaris 20. AMD officially leaked images had the RX5700XT as the RX680/RX690. The moment they realised it could compete with the RTX2070,they pushed the price up. They only jebaited the price,because Nvidia pushed out the Super series. Then with the RX5600XT,the original specifications had it barely better than a GTX1660TI for similar money(despite the cheaper GTX1660 Super existing). But Nvidia dropped the RTX2060 price(and it was faster),so they pushed out the emergency BIOS flash to overclock the GPUs,and many RX5600XT couldn't support the faster RAM specifications.

Everything about the "new AMD" in the recent past,is about pushing up pricing as close as possible to Intel and Nvidia,and then waiting for a response. I hope I am wrong,but its going to be Nvidia who is determining what AMD will charge(again).

AMD isn't the value brand anymore!

 

[EastCoastHandle]

They have been behind Intel for years regarding gaming,and the moment they are similar or a bit faster,the price goes up magically,they drop CPU coolers,etc. AMD basically took the 65W TDP successor to the Ryzen 5 3600,made it an X series(pushed up one tier),bundled the same rubbish Wraith Spire cpu cooler,and made it a $300 CPU instead of a $200 one.

So looking at how much the Fury X,Vega64 and Vega7 cost,do you think if AMD gets close to a RTX3080,it will be cheaper?? They also tarted up the cooler,and it is a bigger 7NM chip than a CPU.

Remember what they did with Navi10? Navi10 in GPU die size,is a traditional AMD mainstream GPU like AMD Ellesmere/Polaris 20. AMD officially leaked images had the RX5700XT as the RX680/RX690. The moment they realised it could compete with the RTX2070,they pushed the price up. They only jebaited the price,because Nvidia pushed out the Super series. Then with the RX5600XT,the original specifications had it barely better than a GTX1660TI for similar money(despite the cheaper GTX1660 Super existing). But Nvidia dropped the RTX2060 price(and it was faster),so they pushed out the emergency BIOS flash to overclock the GPUs,and many RX5600XT couldn't support the faster RAM specifications.

Everything about the "new AMD" in the recent past,is about pushing up pricing as close as possible to Intel and Nvidia,and then waiting for a response. I hope I am wrong,but its going to be Nvidia who is determining what AMD will charge(again).

AMD isn't the value brand anymore!

Pretty much spot on with that. AMD added a $50 premium for the 5000 series. But they at least told you that much. I wouldn't expect a cheaper 6000 series GPU if it's on par/faster then a 3080. However, the question is will they charge as much, if true, because there is no availability from Nvidia until 2021. That's what I will be keeping my eye on.

 

[Rroff]

Pretty much spot on with that. AMD added a $50 premium for the 5000 series. But they at least told you that much. I wouldn't expect a cheaper 6000 series GPU if it's on par/faster then a 3080. However, the question is will they charge as much, if true, because there is no availability from Nvidia until 2021. That's what I will be keeping my eye on.

I'll be surprised if they don't just slot in with nVidia pricing wise - none the less even if AMD keep the prices keen retailers are going to gouge this one.

 

[Wrinkly]

Don't worry AMD can beat the RTX3080 by 1% and price it at £799.

Zen3....sorry....RDNA2 value!

Nvidia like Intel will soon be the value brand!!

That's a good price given how fast the 3080 is rising

 

[EastCoastHandle]

 

[Rroff]

If there is anything to what he says, and given his past record I don't give it much credibility, it is more likely something like they did with the Fury X, etc. (watercooled out the box, cherry picked cores and faster memory maybe) to try and compete with 3080 OC models.

EDIT: In fact if I was AMD right now I'd do just that to get some additional PR, etc.

 

[Hotwired]

Is there any other enthusiast area in the world, that can talk so much about so little?

No.

I leave, I come back, I see the same people posting their same agenda driven drivel flavoured with the most recent news.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

No.

I leave, I come back, I see the same people posting their same agenda driven drivel flavoured with the most recent news. It's such a toxic hobby.

I do think it seems worse than ever.
There's always been rabid fanboys, but it's wild now.

Being whipped up by rumours, into mouth foaming excitement. Or, being deeply angry that another company could have a decent product. If this is you, sort yourself out.

 

[TNA]

Or 5.

Haha. When I see a thread posted by him I auto avoid. Just comes as attention seeking and cheesy. He got warned a few times about it by mods, his threads locked, but a day or two goes by and he makes a new thread again asking something he already did in this thread but never got a response. Lol.

shut up Grim, you're hardly in any position to call other trolls.

And I'd like to know exactly what information has been revealed that's proven anything. I'd also like to know exactly what MLID has gotten wrong so far.

+1

They have been behind Intel for years regarding gaming,and the moment they are similar or a bit faster,the price goes up magically,they drop CPU coolers,etc.

No surprise there, anyone remember the FX CPUs? I was exclusively an AMD CPU user until that point and they pushed me to Intel with those being so expensive. Then I never came back until recently with my Ryzen 3600.

AMD isn't the value brand anymore!

Yeah, AMD is no one’s friend. As soon as they are better their prices jump up. I just buy whatever suits me these days and have no loyalty to them as they have no loyalty to me. When they were offing great value I was exclusively buying their GPU’s for many generations not touching Nvidia.

 

[Grim5]

Two things happened today that I would have laughed at you just 2 years ago if you told me this

1) AMD became the king for gaming
2) Intel became the value CPU option

 

[g67575]

The GPU AMD showed earlier was the 'Big Navi' mentioned by AMD, that was promised for release at the end of 2020, much earlier on this year.

Here's a Tweet from the Radeon RX page, which confirms it:

There *might* be something else. But is it likely at this late stage?

 

[Nablaoperator]

RX 6xxx
Borderlands 3: 61
CoD MW: 88
Gears 5: 73

RTX 3080
Borderlands 3: 60.9 TIE (Eurogamer)
CoD MW: 91 +3.4% (Based on YT video, need better source)
Gears 5: 76 +4% (Guru 3D)

Now the big question "is this the XTX?"

Update:

RX 6xxx
Borderlands 3: 61
CoD MW: 88
Gears 5: 73

RTX 3080
Borderlands 3: 60.9 TIE (Eurogamer)
CoD MW: 91 +3.4% (Based on YT video, need better source)
Gears 5: 76 to 81.4 +4 to 11.5% (Guru 3D/Techspot/Eurogamer)
Techspot was using a 10900K as well and got 76 fps..

Other observations:

• 4K benchmarks are GPU bottlenecked (assumption)
• Right now there doesnt seem to be any PCIE 4 benefit for RTX 3080 at 4K

Heres a summary (Videocardz):

 

[Hotwired]

The GPU AMD showed earlier was the 'Big Navi' mentioned by AMD, that was promised for release at the end of 2020, much earlier on this year.

Here's a Tweet from the Radeon RX page, which confirms it:

There *might* be something else. But is it likely at this late stage?

I'd hope that if you planned a cpu event 3 weeks before the gpu event that you'd have the decency to not flash the best gpu performance at the end of the cpu presentation.

What's the highlight of the gpu event going to be if they trot out the same values from earlier. Unless the highlight is going to be the price.

Terrible showmanship if they're simply spoiling their own future event. Decent setup for a "one more thing" super product however and I'd like to see that happen for the entertainment value.

 

[Nablaoperator]

Not sure if I'm misreading/missing something but doesn't make sense for nVidia to launch the 3070 a day after the reveal if AMD show they have a better card at the 3070 price point.

Given the pricing on their 5000 series CPUs as well as other factors I've mentioned recently I'll be surprised if they are disruptive on price and don't sit inline with the nVidia product stack.

i feel its more fundamental than pricing, right now nvidia are still figuring product segmentation and will tailor the pitch to effectively compete with AMD

I also believe there will be a RTX discount between $50-100 for the RTX3080 equivalent and at the very highest end AMD can disrupt with a $899-1,199 product, provided it exists.. this is where a lower specced RTX3090 might drop in

 

[sHo0sH]

I'm pretty much Switzerland when it comes to these things. I do have a 3080 pre order in but if they announce something that is going to beat it I'll happily jump fence.

I'm really looking forward to the amd event and hoping they're absolutely playing the humble bragg game with an ace up their sleeve.

 

[Zeeflyboy]

The GPU AMD showed earlier was the 'Big Navi' mentioned by AMD, that was promised for release at the end of 2020, much earlier on this year.

Here's a Tweet from the Radeon RX page, which confirms it:

There *might* be something else. But is it likely at this late stage?

But the question is when they refer to big Navi, does that mean their top card or just Navi 21 dies... if the latter then there are, as far as we know, 3 flavours - XT XL and XTX.

Given the AIBs were leaking that AMD was targeting a card that was ~15% faster than a 2080Ti it would seem what AMD showed here is conceivably that card (eg the gears result is ~15%).

So that’s the big question to me, is there any truth to XLX being held back from AIBs. It could just be very much taking a leaf from Nvidia’s book - this card is their “flagship gaming” card and comes in not far from the 3080, but they have a 3090 style “totally not our flagship guys, because then we’d have to admit just being really expensive” halo card. It would be just like the 5900X vs 5950X... the 5900X is clearly the one they pushed as their new amazing CPU, “it’s amazing, look how shiny”, but oh btw if you want the absolute tippy top gaming and creator product then here’s the 5950X. I see the same conceivably happening in GPU.

Time will tell. Given they showed the 5900X and talked about it being the fastest and then revealed the 5950X as a faster halo product within the same presentation (and I believe they did the same with 3000) there’s definitely an argument that revealing their best hand so readily at the end of an event that wasn’t even a GPU event is uncharacteristic. They like to do the old “one more thing” approach.

I don’t know what to think, other than that people declaring that this is definitely the best/not the best they have are being weirdly sure of something towards which we have absolutely no real evidence.

 

[Troezar]

um no, that's what the 28th is for. Surely the concept of 2 separate events isn't that big a challenge to comprehend. Plus everybody has been crying about zero Big Navi info, demanding AMD show everything immediately, yet when we get official ******* confirmation that AMD has some form of Big Navi that draws parity with the 3080 it's still not enough? There's just no pleasing some people.

Some people have religion, others football or even an Apple product. Here it's PC hardware where it may even be worse as computing does seem to attract a certain kind of person with an "alternative" world view