AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Pete @r...]

I am going to be buying a new gpu, £400-£500 range, when available and was originally thinking of a whole new system. Would a r7 3800x/r7 5600x or Intel be much of an upgrade in FPS then my system I have now, r7 1700. Just lately I mainly play warzone and my daughter plays Minecraft.

Edit : R7 3800x I can get for £294, big difference over the 5800x

Edit 2 : Have a 144hz monitor

 

[Blackjack Davy]

I wish people would actually get the truth of this - I find it cheapens criticisms even if there is a valid overall case - where the facts are distorted just to sling more mud. I'm surprised you didn't throw several random mentions of POSCAPs in there a few times just for effect.

Same with this - it is just desperate to sling mud - everywhere saw unprecedented demand with several retailers websites taken out for hours at a time and even unrelated sites thinking they were being DDOS'd.

Mud slinging is the norm in AMD threads, its just this time its not aimed at AMD which is unusual. You get used to it (you shouldn't have to but nothings going to change and nothing gets done about it so there it is).

 

[Parsley]

Mud slinging is the norm in AMD threads, its just this time its not aimed at AMD which is unusual. You get used to it (you shouldn't have to but nothings going to change and nothing gets done about it so there it is).

The risk of intervening with the squabbling is that they'd shut down any and all discussion where people disagree. I think the mods mostly let people argue amongst themselves and if it gets too personal then holidays seem to happen. Over time... people have learnt what they can get away with in terms of trolling or just being snarky. It's all very tame really, wind up merchants and a bit of sniping, hardly mud slinging .

 

[Jacky60]

Like the thing is, your build needs to be balanced, if you have a 60Hz monitor you need a system that can provide just over that at whatever games and settings you use, any more and it's more or less a waste, no point having a GPU that can provide 200fps but your monitor is only 60Hz etc

Yes but never 'just over' the refresh rate. You need 20-30% extra which is never a waste when two or three other variables fluctuate in real time and if you're buying right on the edge now the next AAA game is going to mess with your plans. Buy the best GPU you can afford asap after launch once all competitors have been eliminated by benchmarks/bang per buck.

 

[Wrinkly]

Like the thing is, your build needs to be balanced, if you have a 60Hz monitor you need a system that can provide just over that at whatever games and settings you use, any more and it's more or less a waste, no point having a GPU that can provide 200fps but your monitor is only 60Hz etc

It's actually good to buy above what you need if you want to keep noise and room temps down while running ultra settings. Undervolting / frame capping is something I've done with all hardware for as long as I can remember.

 

[LePhuronn]

i'd like AMD to build a faster GPU than 'Big Navi' this year. After all the launch dicking about and hesitancy from AMD (NV's launch was poor in other ways), I just dont think its remotely likely to happen. This is completely forgiveable however, AMD still has some catching up to do with NV.

The problem is, I think, people simply dont want to wait 6-12 months for improved AMD 5nm GPUs. I dont like it either much, but its what I think a lot of people will end up doing, if £650 is just to high a price to buy a RTX 3080 this year.

There is so much wrong with this post it's just laughable.

 

[hyperseven]

It beats the card in gears of war and the other game forgot which ones they benched now.
I think it wins at gow by 10fps

It was GOW5, Borderlands 3 and COD MW.

For all we know that chart could represent max frames not average as that detail was omitted.

 

[Soapysage]

Yes but never 'just over' the refresh rate. You need 20-30% extra which is never a waste when two or three other variables fluctuate in real time and if you're buying right on the edge now the next AAA game is going to mess with your plans. Buy the best GPU you can afford asap after launch once all competitors have been eliminated by benchmarks/bang per buck.

Yeah that's fair, like there's no point getting a 3080 if you have a 1080p/60Hz monitor unless you plan to upgrade it shortly.

 

[LePhuronn]

In a lack of ANY other evidence suggesitng otherwise, leaked or otherwise, I am convinced that the 6900XT was the card they showed the benchmarks for and will be the flagship.

So you convinced yourself AMD showed their full hand in a throwaway teaser at the end of an event not even intended to show GPUs? Note the key words here are "convinced yourself". You clearly state there is no evidence of any kind to support your belief one way or another, but there must have been some kind of internal logic which brought you to your conclusion that AMD showed the top Navi 21 SKU. I put it to you that your logic is flawed, or at least a touch short-sighted.

The absence of evidence to support anything equally supports my belief that AMD did indeed tease their top die, but not their top SKU. Simply because it makes zero sense to show the top SKU.

There is absolutely no sound logic that can support the notion that AMD rendered their dedicated Navi event redundant 3 weeks before it's even supposed to happen. Zero.

 

[LePhuronn]

I will refrain from mentioning things that might be relevent, if it displeases you.

In order to refrain from mentioning relevant things, you'd first have to start

 

[aoaaron]

It was GOW5, Borderlands 3 and COD MW.

For all we know that chart could represent max frames not average as that detail was omitted.

Come on no company is that shameless

 

[g67575]

There is so much wrong with this post it's just laughable.

You mean you disagree? Lots of people seem to get mixed up between disagreeing with what someone wrote and, that person saying something that is factually incorrect.

What is amusing is the nonspecific nature of your criticism.

Hardly anyone wants to discuss the possibility of waiting for 5nm GPUs next year, have those with very high expectations still not moved on (and accepted) the Big Navi perf. reveal?

For me, this decision will be based on price. If Big Navi can run games at 4k at a steady 60fps, for £500 or less, I think its worth considering.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

I have no idea how they would take it if AMD beats the 3090.
Right now most think it's unimaginable...impossible...just no way.
I can only imagine the pandemonium if that ever was true.

 

[Troezar]

You mean you disagree? Lots of people seem to get mixed up between disagreeing with what someone wrote and, that person saying something that is factually incorrect.

What is amusing is the nonspecific nature of your criticism.

Hardly anyone wants to discuss the possibility of waiting for 5nm GPUs next year, have those with very high expectations still not moved on (and accepted) the Big Navi perf. reveal?

For me, this decision will be based on price. If Big Navi can run games at 4k at a steady 60fps, for £500 or less, I think its worth considering.

Would that be at the same performance as a 3080 but £150 cheaper than a card you can't buy? Sounds like a bargain to me

 

[Shaolin Chicken]

I have no idea how they would take it if AMD beats the 3090.
Right now most think it's unimaginable...impossible...just no way.
I can only imagine the pandemonium if that ever was true.

Hope they do.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Would that be at the same performance as a 3080 but £150 cheaper than a card you can't buy? Sounds like a bargain to me

Its all gone quiet mate. Maybe just look at the 3080 owners thread and check volumes. Last I seen some popular brands had no stock movement and people were getting tetchy. It is really pathetic all these pre-orders scrambling for the tech that should have been available in September. At this rate Jensen could have just gone with a January 2021 launch instead of just losing months of embarrassment or better still opened the gates of all the 30 series at once with the 3070 date.

 

[g67575]

Would that be at the same performance as a 3080 but £150 cheaper than a card you can't buy? Sounds like a bargain to me

Maybe it is too optimistic to think AMD might price the Big Navi GPU (shown on 8th oct), similarly to the RTX 3070. I don't know - but it would certainly make a lot of gamers consider buying AMD this year, as they start to close the performance gap with NV.

One fact I think its worth taking into account is, AMD have never sold a single GPU graphics card for more than 500 dollars (exceptions have included limited edition cards like the RVII and Vega 64 liquid cooled). Also, on launch, the RX 5700 XT ($400) was priced quite competitively vs equivalent NV GPUs, like the RTX 2070 ($500).

 

[gpuerrilla]

I am hoping the continued use of the GDDR6 and other cost savings (nvidia had to use expensive memory and mammoth cooler) can be factored in so that AMD even before adjusting prices can launch at a competitive price. Like you say @g67575 if they can get the 3080 competitor to be near the 3070 that would turn lots of heads away from the queue and gain some easy mindshare.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

I am hoping the continued use of the GDDR6 and other cost savings (nvidia had to use expensive memory and mammoth cooler) can be factored in so that AMD even before adjusting prices can launch at a competitive price. Like you say @g67575 if they can get the 3080 competitor to be near the 3070 that would turn lots of heads away from the queue and gain some easy mindshare.

3080 performance for a near-3070 price would be amazing. I am still somewhat curious to see what their answer to DLSS is and what their ray tracing support will be like. I'll may a reasonable premium for an Nvidia card if AMD don't have good answers to those.

 

[LePhuronn]

that person saying something that is factually incorrect.

Perhaps if there was something "factually correct" in your post then it would be a simple case of disagreeing. The only thing factually correct was AMD not building something bigger than Big Navi this year, but for completely different reasons than you infer. Everything was either your opinion, which is often based on skewed thinking, or factually incorrect.

You claim AMD are being hesitant? Your opinion, not a fact. And arguably totally wrong anyway. What evidence do you have, beside your own impatience, that supports AMD have been even remotely hesitant? They didn't say anything immediately before or after the Ampere event? Your opinion, not a fact.
AMD needing to catch up to Nvidia? The teaser at the end of Ryzen's event literally shows the opposite.
Nobody wanting to wait for 5nm GPUs? Your opinion, not a fact. And arguably totally irrelevant to the current discussion. AMD haven't even released their new cards and already you're repeating nonsensical points about 5nm. Nobody wants to discuss it because it has zero relevance to anything. Now, if you want to talk about Nvidia Hopper and RDNA 3 then go right ahead and create a new thread.

Specific enough for you now?