AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

DeathStorm · 13 Oct 2020 at 21:02

smilingcrow said:
Integrated graphics are fine for the average person running undemanding tasks. Why would they need a decent GPU?

Remember I actually said: "a nice SSD and a decent graphics card will make more difference".

rn2 · 13 Oct 2020 at 22:08

Blowsy said:
The law of diminishing (cost/benefit) returns mate... same with all tech and has been since the dawn of time.

(Please note, I have a 3090 GPU on order )

Hahaha, I don't think I will be swayed by the extra 100mhz

for about £200 more. Saying that the I9-10900k is £550 and I am guessing that the 5950x is supposed to be better than that cpu. I don't think there will be much difference worth that much money for performance when it comes to gaming between the 5900x and 5950x.

Journey said:
16c/32t vs 12c/24t

alec · 13 Oct 2020 at 22:10

pc-guy said:
https://m.hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/146098-cinebench-r20-scores-ryzen-5000-cpus-appear-online/

these scores were listed weeks before zen3 reveal. Appear to be pulled out of cpumonkeys ass

Mr Oblong · 13 Oct 2020 at 23:09

muon said:
Reminds me of the Intel supporters in this thread.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-thread.18859171/

Thread started in July 2019 with claims of imminent release (to counter Zen 2) and released at the end of May 2020.

That's perhaps Intel's problem. Can you even trust them to deliver what they promise?

Grim5 · 13 Oct 2020 at 23:10

Mr Oblong said:
That's perhaps Intel's problem. Can you even trust them to deliver what they promise?

Intel have failed to deliver on any promises within the last 3 years

Mr Oblong · 13 Oct 2020 at 23:18

Grim5 said:
Intel have failed to deliver on any promises within the last 3 years

New architecture just around the corner, you don't think they'll hit that?

Grim5 · 13 Oct 2020 at 23:45

Mr Oblong said:
New architecture just around the corner, you don't think they'll hit that?

Have they shifted the goal post? Already failed to deliver

Looks like rocket lake was supposed to be this year and got pushed back

https://medium.com/@gadgetalerts.in...generation-rocket-lake-this-year-646e25d39568

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/future-hardware-releases/

And that's after Ice Lake 10nm got pushed back from 2020 to who knows when for the 3rd time

smilingcrow · 13 Oct 2020 at 23:47

DeathStorm said:
Remember I actually said: "a nice SSD and a decent graphics card will make more difference".

For the 'undemanding tasks' you referred to a dGPU won't make any difference but I agree that the SSD will help.

Mr Oblong · 14 Oct 2020 at 00:10

Grim5 said:
Have they shifted the goal post? Already failed to deliver

Looks like rocket lake was supposed to be this year and got pushed back

https://medium.com/@gadgetalerts.in...generation-rocket-lake-this-year-646e25d39568

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/future-hardware-releases/

And that's after Ice Lake 10nm got pushed back from 2020 to who knows when for the 3rd time

True, but sooner or later it's going to get here, right?

neviditelny · 14 Oct 2020 at 02:58

For someone who have missed out a lot of the talk about how good the new AMD CPU's will be, do you have a comparrison for me where I could compare my current i7-6700K with the new Ryzen 5900X?

Richdog · 14 Oct 2020 at 04:54

New video from MLID... saying that basically:

Zen3 is not overpriced for the performance you get... it has the best gaming and multi-threaded performance.
It is decent value especially vs available and upcoming Intel CPU's for the next 12 or so months.
If you really want good value then buy a Zen2.

As always, take it with a pinch of salt.

neviditelny said:
do you have a comparrison for me where I could compare my current i7-6700K with the new Ryzen 5900X?

You can find the specific comparison here http://www.thezen3isnotevenoutyetnumbnutssohowcanyoucompareittoa6700k.com/

q974739 · 14 Oct 2020 at 07:57

Mr Oblong said:
True, but sooner or later it's going to get here, right?

Why? If they develop something better they could just bypass it. They've had the time.

kevman · 14 Oct 2020 at 07:58

Richdog said:
You can find the specific comparison here http://www.thezen3isnotevenoutyetnumbnutssohowcanyoucompareittoa6700k.com/

Interesting think I will stick with my 7700k for a while yet

Feared_Punto · 14 Oct 2020 at 08:46

Richdog said:
New video from MLID... saying that basically:

Zen3 is not overpriced for the performance you get... it has the best gaming and multi-threaded performance.

It is decent value especially vs available and upcoming Intel CPU's for the next 12 or so months.

If you really want good value then buy a Zen2.

As always, take it with a pinch of salt.

You can find the specific comparison here http://www.thezen3isnotevenoutyetnumbnutssohowcanyoucompareittoa6700k.com/

I'm fairly new to this so this is a genuine question, but why is MLID so maligned?

alec · 14 Oct 2020 at 08:50

kevman said:
Interesting think I will stick with my 7700k for a while yet

for three weeks and a day

Richdog · 14 Oct 2020 at 08:54

Feared_Punto said:
I'm fairly new to this so this is a genuine question, but why is MLID so maligned?

My view is that it's primarily because of the way he presents his views. He is very arrogant, conceited and can also be dismissive of the viewership and unfortunately that does detract from his videos. Of course he also isn't always right, but that should be expected from any leaker... it's not an exact science.

Mr Oblong · 14 Oct 2020 at 09:13

q974739 said:
Why? If they develop something better they could just bypass it. They've had the time.

Yeah, I see your point. I guess we'll see.

Boot_Loop · 14 Oct 2020 at 10:14

Insightful post on Anandtech forums:

I made a performance projection for Zen3 based Ryzens and charted it on computerbase graphs (single core, multicore and gaming fps @ 1080p ). I expect ~+-2% deviation from these numbers. I used AMD's claims from their presentation and crosschecked them versus both old gen Ryzen 3000 and intel 10X00 parts, it almost perfectly matches with computer base numbers. I also managed to confirm that 3900X(T) performance from AMD's materials matches almost perfectly the 3900X(T) performance in computerbase reviews. Enjoy

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...hread-confirmed.2585890/page-23#post-40313986

Basically the numbers AMD gives in their CPU launch presentations for Ryzen have been very accurate. So the huge gains claimed over Ryzen 3000 or comparative to the 10900K will play out exactly the same in comprehensive independent reviews like ComputerBase's.

RBImGuy · 14 Oct 2020 at 10:17

Mr Oblong said:
New architecture just around the corner, you don't think they'll hit that?

Intel wont compete until maybe 2022 but then amd has next gen ryzen so it seems Intel is the catch up maybe a few years and its a big maybe as die shrinks is ending.

neviditelny said:
For someone who have missed out a lot of the talk about how good the new AMD CPU's will be, do you have a comparrison for me where I could compare my current i7-6700K with the new Ryzen 5900X?

Fastest in the world, so go figure

kevman said:
Interesting think I will stick with my 7700k for a while yet

slow and done.

Richdog · 14 Oct 2020 at 10:20

Boot_Loop said:
Insightful post on Anandtech forums:

Basically the numbers AMD gives in their CPU launch presentations for Ryzen have been very accurate. So the huge gains claimed over Ryzen 3000 or comparative to the 10900K will play out exactly the same in comprehensive independent reviews like ComputerBase's.

Please at least link to the post...