Nvidia to AMD

[kazuya1337]

None of the AMD slides show the cards as overclocked. SAM and Rage mode are not overclocking. According to Gamers Nexus Rage mode is actually just an increase of the power limit by 25% allowing the gpu to maintain a higher boost without the constraints of the 300W design limit. This is basically like sliding the Power limit to +25 in MSI Afterburner.

True overclocking will be increased core and mem voltage, higher VRAM clocks and higher gpu clockspeed and a maxed out power limit. Judging by how much higher a 5700XT can go I expect at least 2400MHz overclock speeds on the RNDA2 cards. Coupled with SAM it should beat an overclocked 3090 which maxes out at 2100MHz.

It really isn't.

 

[fs123]

It really isn't.

Then what is it Einstein?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Of Course, I'll try that Thanks, , although with a different CPU & GPU I might get different results, I am considering going all AMD later in the year

Results will be the same mate, if you're leaving Gsync then you should be aiming for Vsync level frame rates i.e. monitor refresh rate. Which monitor are you using?

People keep talking about how the 6900xt was overclocked with Rage mode, to be clear Rage mode bumps the power available and Rage mode does not overclock the card.

Rage mode invalidates the warranty, it should never have been used for those benchmarks. The performance has been exaggerated for the launch event and I'm keen to see comparisons that are stock v stock.

I'm not sure the 6900XT will have much over the 3080, with the 6800XT likely to fall short. I think AMD have made great cards here, but they've lost the plot with price and they've tried too hard to make them look more competitive than they actually are. One thing they did get right was memory capacity, but it's slower memory so that may be a mistake.

If Nvidia had launched with benchmark results that relied on Max Overclock and the latest Intel CPU then they would have got slaughtered. AMD generally get a free pass with these things because Underdog.

 

[Quartz]

while Intel is looking at launching their own GPU's I don't think anyone expects them to be any good at launch

Let me nuance that: I don't think anyone expects Intel to compete at the high end - let alone the top end - but the low end and mainstream may be a different matter entirely.

 

[phil-k]

Results will be the same mate, if you're leaving Gsync then you should be aiming for Vsync level frame rates i.e. monitor refresh rate. Which monitor are you using?.

My monitor is an ROG pg279q, don't really want the bother of selling it and buying a vsync, I was just wondering if I would have any problems with an all AMD system with it
I suppose I would just enable vsync in any games

 

[Dirk Diggler]

My monitor is an ROG pg279q, don't really want the bother of selling it and buying a vsync, I was just wondering if I would have any problems with an all AMD system with it
I suppose I would just enable vsync in any games

All monitors do Vsync, so no need to switch. If you run it at 165Hz refresh then you're really going to miss Gsync because it's unlikely to hit consistent 165 due to CPU limitations. If you were happy to run at 120Hz then it could be fine, but to be honest that's a compromise and there's no savings to be made going AMD (you don't need 16GB Vram at 1440p) so probably best sticking to Nvidia.

 

[Alex h]

Results will be the same mate, if you're leaving Gsync then you should be aiming for Vsync level frame rates i.e. monitor refresh rate. Which monitor are you using?



Rage mode invalidates the warranty, it should never have been used for those benchmarks. The performance has been exaggerated for the launch event and I'm keen to see comparisons that are stock v stock.

I'm not sure the 6900XT will have much over the 3080, with the 6800XT likely to fall short. I think AMD have made great cards here, but they've lost the plot with price and they've tried too hard to make them look more competitive than they actually are. One thing they did get right was memory capacity, but it's slower memory so that may be a mistake.

If Nvidia had launched with benchmark results that relied on Max Overclock and the latest Intel CPU then they would have got slaughtered. AMD generally get a free pass with these things because Underdog.

Apparently rage mode doesn't void warranty amd are going to insert it into software and will be confirming it doesn't void warranty but you do need a 5000 cpu as you know so when you add that to the price of the gpu it's not as cheap as it seems the rest of your post I do agree with though

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Apparently rage mode doesn't void warranty amd are going to insert it into software and will be confirming it doesn't void warranty but you do need a 5000 cpu as you know so when you add that to the price of the gpu it's not as cheap as it seems the rest of your post I do agree with though

Fair enough, I had read previously that it invalidates warranty but if that's been retracted then that's fine.

I still find it odd that AMD felt the need to push these cards beyond stock and pair with bespoke publicly unavailable hardware in order to do benchmark comparisons with the [stock] competition equivalent.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the AMD products perform out the box on an Intel or Ryzen 3000 series system.

 

[Alex h]

Fair enough, I had read previously that it invalidates warranty but if that's been retracted then that's fine.

I still find it odd that AMD felt the need to push these cards beyond stock and pair with bespoke publicly unavailable hardware in order to do benchmark comparisons with the [stock] competition equivalent.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the AMD products perform out the box on an Intel or Ryzen 3000 series system.

Yeh thats what i heard anyway someone else mentioned it on here yesterday aswell would be wrong for them to add it to software then deny any warranty claim if used I'm waiting for all benchmarks and prices to settle down and all the driver bugs before I choose my next card

 

[Smokey26]

If the 6800XT is as good as it looks and prices are decent ill be getting one over a 3080.

Fanboys make me laugh. What do you get out of it? besides paying more for less? Idiots.

 

[Bergkamp]

LOL yeah because the 6900XT can't be over clocked either

I know! And AMD have the audacity to ask for $500 dollars less!

 

[Spook187]

I always think AMD are like the Aldi of graphics cards, and nvidia are marks and spencer, cheap and cheerfull and the odd rotten spud is AMD, sticking to my pre order 3090

 

[no_1_dave]

Think he was referring to G-sync, which worked and has locked allot of people in, and Nvidia trying to lock you in with DLSS and RT, mostly claiming opensource stuff as their own and forcing customers into that eco system, much like Apple.

DLSS and RT are just features, how is that locking somebody in?
If somebody enjoys having DLSS because it's a free performance boost, that isn't locking them in. It's simply offering a feature that their competitor does not currently have, but could have if they had thought about it sooner.

As for RT, it's also a feature and this wave of AMD cards will have it too. Nvidia just chose to offload the work from their graphics pipeline to achieve better performance.

I agree G-sync can sway people into sticking with 1 company (just like AMD are now doing with rage mode in fact), but creating an innovative solution for RT and DLSS is not forcing customer's to remain part of their eco system. If anything, DLSS is helping all gamers because it's forcing AMD into releasing their own version of it which means we all benefit from better performance

 

[Tiny_D]

DLSS and RT are just features, how is that locking somebody in?
If somebody enjoys having DLSS because it's a free performance boost, that isn't locking them in. It's simply offering a feature that their competitor does not currently have, but could have if they had thought about it sooner.

As for RT, it's also a feature and this wave of AMD cards will have it too. Nvidia just chose to offload the work from their graphics pipeline to achieve better performance.

I agree G-sync can sway people into sticking with 1 company (just like AMD are now doing with rage mode in fact), but creating an innovative solution for RT and DLSS is not forcing customer's to remain part of their eco system. If anything, DLSS is helping all gamers because it's forcing AMD into releasing their own version of it which means we all benefit from better performance

You can read cant you? "Think he was referring to G-sync" Not even me but yer thats factual.
And "Nvidia trying to lock you in with DLSS and RT" Again operative word trying as in attempting to yet not succeeded.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Locking someone in, in the case of Gsync is defined by the idea that those people made a decision to purchase a complimentary piece of hardware, in this case a gysnc enabled monitor. There's no such equivalent purchase with DLSS or Ray Tracing, these are just features, no one is locked into anything.

 

[Tiny_D]

Locking someone in, in the case of Gsync is defined by the idea that those people made a decision to purchase a complimentary piece of hardware, in this case a gysnc enabled monitor. There's no such equivalent purchase with DLSS or Ray Tracing, these are just features, no one is locked into anything.

Just arguing with yourself and looking daft pal, G-sync is to lock people in and how many people you seen posted ion here "i'm not buying the 6000 series cards because I own a G-sync monitor" so yes people locked in, success.

DLSS and RT again "Attempting" to lock people in but so far without success though again on these very boards people posting "Without the same RT performance in AMD i'm not purchasing the 6000 series from AMD" So again Nvidia locking people into their systems.

If you cant figure out the basics go chat to someone else.

 

[gpuerrilla]

This is the eco system of nvidia, they want you to think you have to have their stuff or your experience will suffer. If you cannot comprehend the tactics they employ create this mindshare then perhaps you are part of the mindshare? Listen if your just into nvidia products and have no shame in saying so then thats fine with me. People defending the locked in stuff and pretending they create things to push the industry forward are becoming a bit deluded with the intentions they have behind the scenes.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Just arguing with yourself and looking daft pal

It's you that's looking daft; the poster you quoted said exactly what you repeated back.

DLSS & RT are not locked into the hardware, they are software features that some people value and some don't.

 

[aoaaron]

Results will be the same mate, if you're leaving Gsync then you should be aiming for Vsync level frame rates i.e. monitor refresh rate. Which monitor are you using?



Rage mode invalidates the warranty, it should never have been used for those benchmarks. The performance has been exaggerated for the launch event and I'm keen to see comparisons that are stock v stock.

I'm not sure the 6900XT will have much over the 3080, with the 6800XT likely to fall short. I think AMD have made great cards here, but they've lost the plot with price and they've tried too hard to make them look more competitive than they actually are. One thing they did get right was memory capacity, but it's slower memory so that may be a mistake.

If Nvidia had launched with benchmark results that relied on Max Overclock and the latest Intel CPU then they would have got slaughtered. AMD generally get a free pass with these things because Underdog.

'lost the plot'

As in charging 66% of the price of the 3090 for a similarly performing card which might be 5% short in some instances.
OR charging a similar price for a card which has quoted better rasterisation performance compared to the same competitor card whilst having 6GB more VRAM.

I think lost the plot is a bit strong there. I don't think they're getting any free passes. If anything NVIDIA are getting the free passes as some users seem to think AMD should be cheaper than NVIDIA because.... because.
AMD are simply building a very attractive infrastructure by quoting their new CPUs with their GPUs. Can hardly blame them. Its a unique selling point that NVIDIA can't offer because they don't sell processors.


It will be interesting to see the benchmarks of an AMD GPU with an intel processor vs an NVIDIA GPU with an intel processor though.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

'lost the plot'

As in charging 66% of the price of the 3090 for a similarly performing card which might be 5% short in some instances.
OR charging a similar price for a card which has quoted better rasterisation performance compared to the same competitor card whilst having 6GB more VRAM.

I think lost the plot is a bit strong there. I don't think they're getting any free passes. If anything NVIDIA are getting the free passes as some users seem to think AMD should be cheaper than NVIDIA because.... because.
AMD are simply building a very attractive infrastructure by quoting their new CPUs with their GPUs. Can hardly blame them. Its a unique selling point that NVIDIA can't offer because they don't sell processors.


It will be interesting to see the benchmarks of an AMD GPU with an intel processor vs an NVIDIA GPU with an intel processor though.

I didn't even mention the 3090 as it's a complete outlier, a joke of a product. Compare the 6900XT to the 3080 and you'll see what I'm talking about with price. The 6900XT should be the card that temps you away from the 3080 but it can't because it's a marginal performance increase for £1k.