BMW and M Power Owners

Ralf789 · 7 Nov 2020 at 12:27

Thank you both for your replies friends.

It seems it will cost around £1100 to have the valve stem seals replaced (including valve cover gaskets and timing chain cover gaskets) at a specialist. Once this has been completed, are there still other issues to worry about?

Yours,
Ralf

kitfit1 · 7 Nov 2020 at 12:45

Ralf789 said:
Thank you both for your replies friends.

It seems it will cost around £1100 to have the valve stem seals replaced (including valve cover gaskets and timing chain cover gaskets) at a specialist. Once this has been completed, are there still other issues to worry about?

Yours,
Ralf

Lol

No way is £1100 enough to re-build the heads on a BMW V8, you would be looking at £2000/£2500 at least and that's assuming nothing else rears it's head during the process.

paradigm · 7 Nov 2020 at 14:24

If you are going to run a ruinous 6-Series it might as well be an M6.

In an unrelated question, what brake pads do people run on their cars? Mine were done by BMW Manchester just before I purchased the car, but I’ve never known brake pads to deliver so much dust and detritus onto the wheels in such a short space of time (EBC red stuff excepted). They aren’t massively great either, not much initial bite and don’t feel like they’d sustain more than a handful of hard stops in succession.

I know the F33 is quite heavy, but still there must be a better option than stock BMW pads?

muon · 7 Nov 2020 at 14:27

ChrisD. said:
My M140i is in for an oil change today, they've just called and told me that the oil filter housing has failed so they've ordered a new one. He said that the manifold has to come off so sounds more than just a simple job.

The oil filter and housing disintegrating is a common fault. I hope you aren't paying for this, it is a warranty claim.

Google "b58 oil filter disintegrating".

flexo786 · 7 Nov 2020 at 16:25

kitfit1 said:
Lol

No way is £1100 enough to re-build the heads on a BMW V8, you would be looking at £2000/£2500 at least and that's assuming nothing else rears it's head during the process.

that price is about right. a technique has been developed that allows garages to change the seals without having to dismantle the engine. few garages on ebay offering it for that price

kitfit1 · 7 Nov 2020 at 16:41

flexo786 said:
that price is about right. a technique has been developed that allows garages to change the seals without having to dismantle the engine. few garages on ebay offering it for that price

If you are mug enough to give them your car. Shortcuts on high performance engines are just that, short cuts. They never even work in the short run, let alone the long run. Either do the job properly, don't do it at all, or if you havn't bought it yet walk away.

ChrisD. · 7 Nov 2020 at 20:04

It was done under warranty.

kitfit1 · 7 Nov 2020 at 20:45

ChrisD. said:
It was done under warranty.

What was done under warranty ?

Gaygle · 7 Nov 2020 at 20:46

ChrisD. said:
My M140i is in for an oil change today, they've just called and told me that the oil filter housing has failed so they've ordered a new one. He said that the manifold has to come off so sounds more than just a simple job.

Why do they replace the entire housing? It's just a bit of rubber from the filter left stuck at the bottom. Could probably get a self tapping bolt or two in there and wiggle it free. Hell, worst case scenario is you'd take it off and do it on the bench. No idea why they're going to throw it away and order a new one.

CliffyG · 7 Nov 2020 at 20:48

Currently got a 2004 Z4 2.2 Roadster and just today ordered a 128ti. Quite an upgrade!

[TW]Fox · 7 Nov 2020 at 21:39

CliffyG said:
Currently got a 2004 Z4 2.2 Roadster and just today ordered a 128ti. Quite an upgrade!

In some ways perhaps, but a 265bhp front wheel drive BMW? Not an upgrade in every way. Any reason why you didn't go for the M135i? At least that's 4wd.

CliffyG · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:00

Its 16 years newer, quicker and looks nicer, of course its a significant upgrade. It's cheaper than the 135i, is exactly what i was after in terms of looks and performance and I like the idea of having one of the first of its type.

Hedge · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:00

[TW]Fox said:
In some ways perhaps, but a 265bhp front wheel drive BMW? Not an upgrade in every way. Any reason why you didn't go for the M135i? At least that's 4wd.

M135i looks like a shoe.

flexo786 · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:10

kitfit1 said:
If you are mug enough to give them your car. Shortcuts on high performance engines are just that, short cuts. They never even work in the short run, let alone the long run. Either do the job properly, don't do it at all, or if you havn't bought it yet walk away.

it is doing the job done properly . its simply a set of tools that have been made to help remove the seals without having to strip the whole head. tried and tested method from the states with no issues. for the op only you can decide as it is an older bmw and like all of them they come with niggles. only you can decide if it the potential faults will scare you off. there are many maintained one so if you find one that has had all the weak points addressed ill think you will find them pretty reliable.

[TW]Fox · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:15

Hedge said:
M135i looks like a shoe.

The new 128Ti looks exactly the same as it's also a 1 series :confused:

Dis86 · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:16

Hedge said:
M135i looks like a shoe.

And looks almost identical to the 128ti...

[TW]Fox · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:22

CliffyG said:
Its 16 years newer, quicker and looks nicer, of course its a significant upgrade. It's cheaper than the 135i, is exactly what i was after in terms of looks and performance and I like the idea of having one of the first of its type.

But it's barely 10% cheaper than the M135i and the residual difference between the two will be such that it'll end being no cheaper in reality.

I think it's a difficult model for BMW - you're very brave to order one before even driving it (deliveries don't start until next year).

If you're in the world of factory ordering brand new BMWs then 10% is presumably a fairly trivial amount to you.

I'm struggling to understand just who the market is for it, I can only imagine it's trying to attract new people to the brand as very few BMW guys will want a front drive performance model.

I urge you to reconsider - I think you'll find the M135i a better car in every way and it isn't as expensive as you think.

Hedge · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:22

[TW]Fox said:
The new 128Ti looks exactly the same as it's also a 1 series

Haha my bad i didn't read his post properly. I thought he had bought a z4. This stout im drinking is too strong!

Infact its like i didnt read his post at all haha.

CliffyG · 7 Nov 2020 at 22:35

[TW]Fox said:
But it's barely 10% cheaper than the M135i and the residual difference between the two will be such that it'll end being no cheaper in reality.

I think it's a difficult model for BMW - you're very brave to order one before even driving it (deliveries don't start until next year).

If you're in the world of factory ordering brand new BMWs then 10% is presumably a fairly trivial amount to you.

I'm struggling to understand just who the market is for it, I can only imagine it's trying to attract new people to the brand as very few BMW guys will want a front drive performance model.

I urge you to reconsider - I think you'll find the M135i a better car in every way and it isn't as expensive as you think.

Its PCP but yeah ordering without driving it is a gamble but everything I've read sounds positive. Should be ready for me on the 15th Dec.

jpaul · 8 Nov 2020 at 08:18

german bmw site had a better explanation of this ARB system introduced on i3s and on 128ti - why do they re-use acronyms
a faster, preemptive, DSC - makes much more sense - english sites have a load of waffle.

The developer's secret weapon has the working title ARB and is intended to help make the BMW 1 Series F40 the benchmark in its class. ARB stands for Actorn-related wheel slip limitation and describes in the finest developer Denglish a system that can basically be imagined as a particularly fast-working DSC. The trick is to relocate the slip regulator from the conventional DSC control unit to the engine management system, which is why many problems can be combated before they arise. The control systems constantly analyze how high the coefficient of friction of the ground is and therefore know very precisely which forces can be transmitted at the moment.

In this way, it can be defined in advance how much torque the motor may provide in the current situation. The information on the maximum wheel slip results in a maximum engine speed which, if exceeded, would inevitably lead to the wheels spinning. While conventional ESP systems only act in such a situation when the wheel has already spun and lost its grip, ARB prevents the wheel speed from being too high by limiting the engine speed in advance. The advantage: Because the situation is still completely under control at the moment of the intervention, much smaller interventions are sufficient for the desired stabilization - braking interventions perceived as patronizing are normally not necessary and the typical understeer due to a loss of traction on the front axle is not necessary

edit: mazda 6 has similar system - explains competitive driving experience
Mazda GVC Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTqLI7LjMc