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*** NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080 SERIES STOCK SITUATION - NO COMPETITOR DISCUSSION ***

Rust3dfaith said:
This one was covered by ScottiB a few days ago
ScottiB said:
I got those cards weeks ago, I collected a few weeks of my SI allocation and then all of those cards were sent to a third party last month, they are building the systems for us right now (we don't have the capacity currently) and we expect to get them back next week...we then give them a quick check and put them in stock.

I've explained the whole 'SI allocation' thing a number of times in the last few days. Whilst SI demands might be one of the reasons for a shortage on Ventus, since Ventus originally launched a few years back as an 'SI only' model and pretty much all of MSI's major global SI customers (we are not one of them) focus on Ventus cards. The fifty units, allocated to me over the first five weeks are not the root cause of the problems. The phrase, a drop in the ocean springs to mind.
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Ahh this makes sense tbf thanks for reposting
 
Wangle said:
Question for the panel: @Gibbo and @ScottiB :D

Is this the worst product launch of all time?
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In terms of demand vs supply yes.

Fantastic to have so much demand, absolute disaster to have so little supply, resulting in lots of upset customers.

Big launches are common practice for OcUK, we have experience of doing many and the last big huge demand launch in recent times was GTX 970 which we shipped over 30,000 units during its lifespan and close to 5000 I believe was within the first few weeks and back then we were taking pre-orders and most customers got a card within 2-4 weeks of pre-ordering, I don't recall anyone waiting beyond three months as the supply was vastly superior.

If we had GTX 970 levels of supply things would be a big improvement, but of course a 3080 is a far more complex GPU than a GTX 970 so is obviously nowhere near as easy to manufacturer especially being on a new Samsung 8nm process for NVIDIA.

Said it many times, its just going to take patience and lots of it I am sure the numbers will ramp up and NVIDIA will do the right thing as will board partners and focus on production on 3080 to clear back orders before focusing on other projects etc. As right now the number priority for board partners has got to be fulfilling the demand they already have, as such I do tend to get a little annoyed when board partners release new models of cards as I think to myself surely you should be using all the GPU's your getting to cover the backlog you already have and not be creating new products, of course I understand why they do it, but if I was a manufacturer my number one priority would be fulfilling orders I already have rather than diverting GPU's and components to new models which have no backorders.
 
Bill Morton said:
So, no MSI 3080 Ventus cards coming in but order now and they are available for builds.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-gaming-fsg-pro-1440p-4k-pre-built-gaming-pc-fs-1d5-ep.html

Shipping 16th with a 3080...

That's adding insult to injury.
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Now... you will be told that SI 'system integration' stock is completely and utterly different from 'boxed' stock. All I can tell you is the system I had built by OC last year with a zotac 2070 in it came with the zotac box which looked no different from the zotac amp 3080 box I have. I'm not suggesting anything dodgy is going on, just making an observation. We also know ScottiB gave some of his SI allocation to Gibbo for retail to help with the shortfall.

The situation is really quite surreal, both AMD and Nvidia keep launching card iterations that they can't supply in any meaningful fashion. I wonder how many 3090's have been bought in place of 3080's?
 
Gibbo said:
In terms of demand vs supply yes.

Fantastic to have so much demand, absolute disaster to have so little supply, resulting in lots of upset customers.

Big launches are common practice for OcUK, we have experience of doing many and the last big huge demand launch in recent times was GTX 970 which we shipped over 30,000 units during its lifespan and close to 5000 I believe was within the first few weeks and back then we were taking pre-orders and most customers got a card within 2-4 weeks of pre-ordering, I don't recall anyone waiting beyond three months as the supply was vastly superior.

If we had GTX 970 levels of supply things would be a big improvement, but of course a 3080 is a far more complex GPU than a GTX 970 so is obviously nowhere near as easy to manufacturer especially being on a new Samsung 8nm process for NVIDIA.

Said it many times, its just going to take patience and lots of it I am sure the numbers will ramp up and NVIDIA will do the right thing as will board partners and focus on production on 3080 to clear back orders before focusing on other projects etc. As right now the number priority for board partners has got to be fulfilling the demand they already have, as such I do tend to get a little annoyed when board partners release new models of cards as I think to myself surely you should be using all the GPU's your getting to cover the backlog you already have and not be creating new products, of course I understand why they do it, but if I was a manufacturer my number one priority would be fulfilling orders I already have rather than diverting GPU's and components to new models which have no backorders.
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It's fairly clear to see you share most the same frustration as customers in terms of the behaviour of Nvidia and board partners, we're all in the same boat. Though you obviously have a greater insight to how they operate than most customers, so it's good to hear your take on it. I hope you're right about them focusing on clearing backlog before releasing the 3080Ti, time will tell I suppose.
 
Hey @ScottiB @Gibbo Thank you for the recent updates :)

I did see someone post about there Gigabyte Aorus 3080 Extreme been despatched / ready for dispatch yesterday but cant find the post now. I was in position 22 last Friday so i guess i have moved a little closer to the front now :)

Any news from Gigabyte on the Aorus 3080 Extreme ? Could i be looking at this year or in the new year ? I appreciate you may not know :)

Thanks
 
nikoliath said:
Now... you will be told that SI 'system integration' stock is completely and utterly different from 'boxed' stock. All I can tell you is the system I had built by OC last year with a zotac 2070 in it came with the zotac box which looked no different from the zotac amp 3080 box I have. I'm not suggesting anything dodgy is going on, just making an observation. We also know ScottiB gave some of his SI allocation to Gibbo for retail to help with the shortfall.

The situation is really quite surreal, both AMD and Nvidia keep launching card iterations that they can't supply in any meaningful fashion. I wonder how many 3090's have been bought in place of 3080's?
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IIRC ScottieB has explained that.

GFX cards don't always get "special oem" packaging, especially if the volume they're turning out for that supply channel is low. Effectively it's not worth the manufacturers time to create separate packaging for it*, instead they divert some at the factory and put it in the SI supply chain.
I honestly can't see the higher end cards being sold in sufficient quantities even under normal conditions for most of the manufacturers to bother with making "oem" packaging. For lower end cards where tens or hundreds of thousands are being put into "gaming computers" to be assembled and sold in department stores, yes OEM packaing would make sense, but for cards were only a tiny fraction are going to specialist system builders...
I suspect OCUK is simply unusual in that they (from memory) supply most/all of the original packaging with some of their systems, most people buying a complete system wouldn't be bothered (or want) the likes of the GFX card, CPU or cooler boxes.

I suspect it's a bit like "retail vs OEM" hard drives but reversed - I've only ever had about 4 proper "retail boxed" hard drives** in nearly 30 years, as most "retail" hard drives are effectively identical to the OEM ones in terms of packaging (usually an antistatic bag plus whatever the retailer uses), it's just that a batch is registered as being for one supply chain (possibly with a different warranty) and sent out as such through the channel for system builders.



*Many manufacturers in all sorts of industries try to keep the number of distinct lines down, as it's pointlessly complicated to have one product but make two lots of packaging for it for very small volumes..
**Nice packaging, usually about the size of a DVD drive retail package, with a cable, screws, leaflet with installation instructions, and often a bit of software to clone your old one (and back in the day sometimes drive adaptors to let you fit the 3.5" drive in a 5.25" bay).
 
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Gibbo said:
In terms of demand vs supply yes.

Fantastic to have so much demand, absolute disaster to have so little supply, resulting in lots of upset customers.

Big launches are common practice for OcUK, we have experience of doing many and the last big huge demand launch in recent times was GTX 970 which we shipped over 30,000 units during its lifespan and close to 5000 I believe was within the first few weeks and back then we were taking pre-orders and most customers got a card within 2-4 weeks of pre-ordering, I don't recall anyone waiting beyond three months as the supply was vastly superior.

If we had GTX 970 levels of supply things would be a big improvement, but of course a 3080 is a far more complex GPU than a GTX 970 so is obviously nowhere near as easy to manufacturer especially being on a new Samsung 8nm process for NVIDIA.

Said it many times, its just going to take patience and lots of it I am sure the numbers will ramp up and NVIDIA will do the right thing as will board partners and focus on production on 3080 to clear back orders before focusing on other projects etc. As right now the number priority for board partners has got to be fulfilling the demand they already have, as such I do tend to get a little annoyed when board partners release new models of cards as I think to myself surely you should be using all the GPU's your getting to cover the backlog you already have and not be creating new products, of course I understand why they do it, but if I was a manufacturer my number one priority would be fulfilling orders I already have rather than diverting GPU's and components to new models which have no backorders.
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How many units of Ampere/3080 have you shipped to date Gibbo?

Sorry if you've already mentioned elsewhere
 
chanjy said:
How many units of Ampere/3080 have you shipped to date Gibbo?

Sorry if you've already mentioned elsewhere
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Posted a shipment update a few pages back and 3080 shipments since launch from OcUK to customers is now just shy of 2000 cards.
 
mentor07825 said:
But we already paid for it. Would we have to pay an additional cost when the cards eventually ship?
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No OcUK honours back orders, even if we lose money on them, some of the 3080 MSRP cards are at break even or a slight loss but we honour all orders and always have done.
Yes BREXIT could impose some seriously issues and cause bigger losses on said backorders and its fair to say prices next year are indeed going to go up across the board on imports by the looks of things judging by rumours going around etc. But I do not worry about the future to much and just focus on the here and now, but for sure next year will see some changes.
 
mentor07825 said:
But we already paid for it. Would we have to pay an additional cost when the cards eventually ship?
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Paid UK VAT on purchase. Revenue has said we will face customs duty and import tax. I'm not sure it means we have to pay Irish VAT 21% as well but going by that information it's looking like it gets really expensive.

I got the Ventus for 666 pound, which is a steal, I need to figure out if this means I'll be slapped with a high cost once it arrives in Ireland after Jan 1st but it looks likely.
 
gibbo the voucher idea is brilliant if you can get it implemented, would you also consider an invite system for orders as well? So you send out email invites to people who have been registered e.g. at least 12 months, let them get first dibs, and then widen the availability if they dont all get sold.
 
Gibbo said:
No OcUK honours back orders, even if we lose money on them, some of the 3080 MSRP cards are at break even or a slight loss but we honour all orders and always have done.
Yes BREXIT could impose some seriously issues and cause bigger losses on said backorders and its fair to say prices next year are indeed going to go up across the board on imports by the looks of things judging by rumours going around etc. But I do not worry about the future to much and just focus on the here and now, but for sure next year will see some changes.
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If you are going to absorb the cost you should email all EU customers on waiting lists about this to make it official. I don't want to get a shock if Revenue tell us that I need to shell out a couple of 100 extra in customs duty.
 
So being that I am 317 in queue for Eagle and not likely to get one until like March if I'm lucky, and also in Ireland, I may pay end up paying a lot more due to brexit then
 
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