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When will GPUs return to normal pricing....
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Interesting, hope they take notice but it's unlikely anything will be done anytime soon
so what you're saying is "He's made a very good counter point rendering my argument null and void" ? Because it is a very valid point. I'd like to get on the housing ladder some day, but there's all these people paying more than I feel housing should cost and buying homes they don't actually need... Should I resent them?
I've said it before, using house prices is poor way to apply an analogy.
Resent is a strong word, but I am annoyed by the "I'm alright Jack" types who are just making it more expensive for everyone, including themselves.
Just because I can afford something, doesn't mean I don't apply value to that item. I can pay £1k for a card, but it isn't a good value exchange in my eyes for what I am getting.
My relative performance requirement generally sits in the x70 range when looking at historic cards, but maintaining that performance level has got significantly more expensive for no reason other than that some people are more than happy to help manufacturers/retailers apply lube to themselves.
I dislike that it is happening, not specifically the people causing it to happen.
This is absolutely not the thread (or even the forum) for a discussion about house prices or the housing market.
I'm not sure why we have to use ridiculous analogies to discuss GPU pricing.
e: For an analogy to be useful, the things in question have to be obviously comparable. How do you even compare a GPU to a house? A GPU to a car?
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Good idea. Also the HMRC could be set on these people. I bet most scalpers don't realise they are supposed to pay tax on these sales. You'd think that it's a private auction so it's OK but actually it's not. If HMRC deem it as a profit motivated sale then it's taxable.
I wonder if Nvidia had simply not bothered pushing the envelope with the 3090 and badged the 3080 as a 3080Ti, the 3070 as the 3080 etc, adjusted the pricing up according to the tier, and simply left people in ignorance of what they could have had, if they would have the same sentiment towards prices? Or perhaps they have done that...
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You need to brush up on your definitions. The three are all comparable in terms of the purchase process, luxury content, price fluctuations etc.. they don't need to be comparable in physical size or functionality in order to be used in an analogy.
This is really basic stuff, Google is your friend if you're struggling with it.
I see your point. I mean NVIDIA themselves try to hype up the products to say how wonderful they are and for some odd reason this time people believed them. Add to that the shortage of components and BAM you have hysteria. Yet the crazy thing is that the 3000 series while good is NOT that good! Not good enough to justify some of the ridiculous prices we have seen.
There's a whole load of marketing, psychology and weird behaviour going on that is feeding this frenzy. For example, I get the sense that people have assumed the logical upgrade from a 1080 or 2080 must be a 3080 and the 3070 is for those who previously has a 2070 etc. The 2080Ti crew appear to be very reluctant to consider anything other than either a 3090 or waiting for the 3080Ti. I know there's more to it than numbering conventions, but there's something psychological in that.
I then see people complaining that their brand new 3080 can't run CP2077 on ultra settings at 120FPS. It almost implies that they wished the developers hadn't built the game in a way that allows people to unlock additional visual performance as hardware technology evolves over the next few years.
Underpinning all of this is that there is absolutely no need to have a new GPU (from a Maslow perspective) and the want is simply because it's available rather than anyone having been specifically unable to play latest games on their current GPU. I've said it many times - I currently have a 670 in my PC and am really wanting to upgrade, so to see so many people who have perfectly capable cards from the previous generation in their system chomping at the bit to get a new card is interesting, as it is mostly psychology behind that.
I'm now expecting a fair amount of abuse for such sweeping statements.
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@Seearbe great post, you've hit the nail on the head. Those complaining are just as desperate as those who have purchased. We're all feeding the consumer demand, some have just got luckier than others or are willing to invest more than others.
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It will do if people carry on buying at the current rate which seems to be increasing at a ridiculous rate, people arnt buying to use them either. Not buying people are board due to covid. People are buying to profit from which is the same as the mining craze causing actual gamers wanting to use then to have to wait. Tech is now a quick way for people to make easy money so yes it will get worse if people carry on buying and upgrading every generation even when it's not actually required. Apply this statement to anything and everything at the moment. It's sad really.
Said ports need to get their **** together, it's not as if current events are unexpected at this point. They lack good direction and planning, that much is clear, particularly for such a vital service.
That being said, when most of the office dwellers are still 'working' from home, I guess a colossal **** up is to be expected.
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Prices will continue to rise so long as Nvidia's share prices do. They don't care who buys them, so long as they're selling and the shareholders are happy.
Want to feel better about the situation? Be a share holder
Want to feel better about the situation? Be a share holder
Yes. I mean if you look at the performance of the 3080 and 3090 they are really for high resolution monitors. It really makes me wonder how many people have 4K monitors? I've alreay
Said ports need to get their **** together, it's not as if current events are unexpected at this point. They lack good direction and planning, that much is clear, particularly for such a vital service.
That being said, when most of the office dwellers are still 'working' from home, I guess a colossal **** up is to be expected.
Humans have this habit of doing their planning as they fall off the cliff.
People like me who use high-resoluton VR headsets on older cards definitely need to upgrade. I can't run flight and racing sims at a decent frame rate, resolution and level of detail on my Valve Index or Quest 2 using a 1080ti, even though I have a 3900x processor. Also a high framerate with no frame drops is essential for VR to feel comfortable. Choppy framerates in VR can make you feel physically sick.