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Anyone planning to buy the RX 6900 XT, rather than RTX 3080?

Grim5 said:
Vulkun Ray Tracing has been released, its agnostic extensions runs on AMD too and Quake 2 has been patched for the latest version of Vulkun

so let's take a look at this numbers

oh dear mother of

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I love how you posted this in 2 seperate threads, this being the more dramatic version.:rolleyes:

In all liklihood you'll print this benchmark result out and plonk it under your mattress next to your crusty sock.

VortexA1 said:
It's AMD's first gen of Ray Tracing. I'm not surprised.
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Hes not surprised either, just putting some hyperbole into his post as usual. Doesn't take much for the shills to get excited.
 
The Graph says it all. It's quake 2 RTX. Pretty much all ray tracing games are built around RTX. The others like Dirt 5 and Godfall show results nothing like this as Dirt is an AMD win and Godfall does not even support Nvidia. It's plainly obvious both vendors do RT differently and if the game is made for one or the other the results will look different. I do expect most of the games to start switching round to benefit AMD for obvious reasons so things will get closer. People say the shadows in Dirt don't make a difference but they are still RT shadows and Nvidia take a similar hit to AMD in this game. Nvidia have a head start of 2 years so pretty much all RT games bar a few show them in a great light which is not surprising. Will be interesting to see how this develops over time when next gen console ports start hitting the PC market. until then i guess we will get graphs of RTX games rammed down our throats with ray tracing designed for RTX Nvidia cards.
 
Space Monkey said:
Agreed, be interesting to see the figures for Nvidia's first Gen RTX cards?
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Exactly. I'm actually impressed it's showing as even half the speed.

It'll be in the same range as the 2xxx series as all others have shown. And lets be honest, if you are buying an AMD card right now, you aren't buying it for the ray tracing.
 
"This past month, the Khronos standards body formally released new cross-vendor KHR ray tracing extensions for Vulkan. So with this exciting development, NVIDIA is releasing a new Quake II RTX game update and Game Ready Driver to take advantage of the new Vulkan extensions. Now, any GPU with support for Vulkan Ray Tracing can experience Quake II RTX in all its path-traced glory."

How nice for Nvidia, now they are making hardware agnostic games. :)
 
nvidiamd said:
"This past month, the Khronos standards body formally released new cross-vendor KHR ray tracing extensions for Vulkan. So with this exciting development, NVIDIA is releasing a new Quake II RTX game update and Game Ready Driver to take advantage of the new Vulkan extensions. Now, any GPU with support for Vulkan Ray Tracing can experience Quake II RTX in all its path-traced glory."

How nice for Nvidia, now they are making hardware agnostic games. :)
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If nVidia does get a few older games updated with path tracing (hopefully with more than just a lighting engine overhaul and a few high res textures) it is a big PR win for them none the less.
 
Rroff said:
If nVidia does get a few older games updated with path tracing (hopefully with more than just a lighting engine overhaul and a few high res textures) it is a big PR win for them none the less.
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Of course it is and they will be stupid not to do it. But that does not mean we should believe that games are "hardware agnostic" when we talk about ray tracing. Maybe in 5-6 years we will see hardware agnostic games.
 
nvidiamd said:
This is why i told you that the 6800xt average score is growing every day and why i told you that we will see better scores on the 6900xt.
At over 200k tests, you won't see too much change, that's why the score only increased with 9 points from 22nd November
At ~8000k tests, you will see some change, today the score increased with 9 more points. Of course there is a limit where the score will be stabilized, we won't see such numbers each day as more tests will come.
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You have not worked out yet if it growing. Thats the main issue. You are speculating that its is. There could have been a driver update or more people are using Ryzen 5000 series cpu's. You also have the release of custom cards. The grow rate if there is one is very small, 9 points is next to nothing. You see after 200k tests you need much more tests to cause the average to increase. 8000 tests maybe to small and affected by other factors like overclocking. A few 100 points is like 1 fps. If the graphics test gets 140fps and you increase by 1fps thats an increase of something like 0.7%. Yet this is a notable performance increase? More likely you looked at the few 100 points increase thought you had a winning arguement and ran with it.
 
The 6900XT makes no sense to me whatsoever.

You can claim I'm an Nvidia fanboy but my last two CPUs have been AMD. I would happily buy whatever was the fastest card.

The 3080 is just a much more sensible buy.
 
Sticking to USD for simplicity:

If the 6800xt is $100 cheaper than the 3800, 6800xt makes sense
If $50 cheaper and you play esports or lower res/high frame rate mainstream games, 6800xt can still be valid
If same price, 3080 easily
If outside of mainstream gaming use case like VR, production, RX or niche use cases, 3080
 
Space Monkey said:
Agreed, be interesting to see the figures for Nvidia's first Gen RTX cards?
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Yes I am interested too, I'm genuinely impressed by the speed that first gen is giving tbh.

Scougar said:
Exactly. I'm actually impressed it's showing as even half the speed.

It'll be in the same range as the 2xxx series as all others have shown. And lets be honest, if you are buying an AMD card right now, you aren't buying it for the ray tracing.
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Oh I see, the same range as the 2xxx series.

I felt exactly the same , impressed that it's half the speed in their first gen cards.

I have found (I don't know the percentages) that 3080 owners are turning off the Ray Tracing for the increased frames once the novelty fades. I wanted ray tracing but now I'm not so sure with the impact of frame rates. I have a 144hz monitor and enjoy high frames. I will get myself a new card when I can because my current card shows it's age.

Unfortunately the 6900xt is too much money for me so no on that, it will be a cheaper card max £600
 
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zx128k said:
You have not worked out yet if it growing. Thats the main issue. You are speculating that its is. There could have been a driver update or more people are using Ryzen 5000 series cpu's. You also have the release of custom cards. The grow rate if there is one is very small, 9 points is next to nothing. You see after 200k tests you need much more tests to cause the average to increase. 8000 tests maybe to small and affected by other factors like overclocking. A few 100 points is like 1 fps. If the graphics test gets 140fps and you increase by 1fps thats an increase of something like 0.7%. Yet this is a notable performance increase? More likely you looked at the few 100 points increase thought you had a winning arguement and ran with it.
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It is the law of small/big numbers. As more tests come, the average score will increase up to a point where it will be stabilized. Then no matter how many tests will come, the average score will not increase/decrease too much.
6800xt is up 16 more points today. So you can see it is increasing every day: last 3 days was: +15, +9, +16. Probably will end up around +200 points against the 3080 on average.
 
nvidiamd said:
It is the law of small/big numbers. As more tests come, the average score will increase up to a point where it will be stabilized. Then no matter how many tests will come, the average score will not increase/decrease too much.
6800xt is up 16 more points today. So you can see it is increasing every day: last 3 days was: +15, +9, +16. Probably will end up around +200 points against the 3080 on average.
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The fluxuation is small so no trend can be draw. If more numbers come in the value could drop again. There is nothing in your statements to prove that the number will continue to rise. We know that significant increases in performance dont happen, increases end at some point. Performance is mostly increased by overclocking. The number could raise and fall. These are acceptable likelihood. As I pointed out 1fps changes are less than a single 1% in performance. This is not significant, it does not prove that overtime the cards will become faster to some greater point.

You need to prove that there is an increasing trend but all you seem to think is that you can waffle like mad. Then you need to prove this trend will continue until a significant performance increase will likely happen. Until then you have basically nothing. You have left yourself in this position.

Like I stated the Asus strix rog 3080 gaming oc is 18.5k graphics points stock and 19k overclocked. You are not going to get that kind of increase just of maturing drivers. A 6800xt wont become a 6900xt from anything other than overclocking. But sure dig your hole deeper. The main issue with the Asus strix rog 3080 gaming oc is that few have been delivered to overclockers.

The issue you have is that you have main a statement you cant prove.
 
That's funny it was 17805 on monday, it is 17873 now but i still haven't proved anything. That is 68 more points in 5 days.
Of course the performance is mostly increased by overclocking but this is how the time spy works. It is mostly increased by overclocking on the 3080 ( and there you have even some LN2 scores keeping the average score up ) and mostly increased by overclocking on the 6800xt . The difference is that on the 6800xt you see only overclocks that anyone can use, the best score is from a reference card. And it is almost 2k above your silly ASUS 3080 example. :)
 
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