When will GPUs return to normal pricing....

Dontrocktheboat · 29 Dec 2020 at 06:21

Console hardware is sold at a loss, currently, yes. But there's a catch, these big cooperation's are doing that for a reason.

Get you locked in into the ecosystem and then pay through the nose for their software over next 5-8years

NZXT30 · 29 Dec 2020 at 10:35

The gap in value has never been this extreme, not even remotely. Back in 2013 when the ps4 got released you could build a pc with £650 that was significantly better hardware wise.

It's one of the reasons that caused pc gaming to surge in popularity. The current madness can not continue for long.

Timber · 29 Dec 2020 at 10:44

Dontrocktheboat said:
Console hardware is sold at a loss, currently, yes. But there's a catch, these big cooperation's are doing that for a reason.

Get you locked in into the ecosystem and then pay through the nose for their software over next 5-8years

Devil's advocate mode - but that is true on other platforms. Nvidia have G-Sync, DLSS and GF Now etc. all designed to lock you into their latest GPU card. As discussed the prices for games are largely the same; i.e. Doom eternal for £20 vs. £26 (CD Keys vs. Xbox Live for Ultimate version).

Sony and Microsoft's (it's slightly different for Nintendo although changing) profits they are currently raking in, are for 2 main reasons; the switch to digital and their 30% cut and subscriptions (Game Pass, PS Now, PS+ etc). The days of heavily subsidised custom hardware boxes with sales from royalty fees for pressing games has changed. There are many more avenues for the platform holders to make money now.

Valve, Epic, Electronic Arts, Nvidia, Microsoft etc. are all trying to lock you into some form of ecosystem. Whether it be on PC, console or mobile.

Nvidia and AMD abandoning the budget end of the discrete GPU market (in effect what they are doing) and raising prices is for the very same reasons as everyone else in business.

chrcoluk · 29 Dec 2020 at 21:35

Dontrocktheboat said:
Console hardware is sold at a loss, currently, yes. But there's a catch, these big cooperation's are doing that for a reason.

Get you locked in into the ecosystem and then pay through the nose for their software over next 5-8years

yeah, but it hasnt been confirmed (Although I agree its very likely), and more so the gap is very extreme, linus couldnt build a $1000 pc to match hardware spec.

FE rtx cards are still been sold at RRP, so my guess is the AIB partners and their distributors/retailers are getting very greedy despite their claims.

Smokey26 · 30 Dec 2020 at 00:49

I remember paying about 300quid for a Radeon X800XT back in the day and that was a lot. Wonder if my wages have gone up 150% like graphics card inflation hah.

BigBANGtheory · 30 Dec 2020 at 09:46

I think you also have to factor in greater longevity too. If say you take a GPU like the 1080Ti sure it was expensive but as long as you stuck with 1440p that card could easily last you 5yrs where as in times gone by a cheaper but still high-end GPU was 2-3yr life span.

Its really only the consumers that 'must have the fastest and latest' that are feeling the pain. The number of people going from Turing > Ampere or Zen2 > Zen 3 is truly scary stuff boarding on consumer addiction tbh, that comes at a price sorry to say.

chrcoluk · 30 Dec 2020 at 20:59

BigBANGtheory said:
I think you also have to factor in greater longevity too. If say you take a GPU like the 1080Ti sure it was expensive but as long as you stuck with 1440p that card could easily last you 5yrs where as in times gone by a cheaper but still high-end GPU was 2-3yr life span.

Its really only the consumers that 'must have the fastest and latest' that are feeling the pain. The number of people going from Turing > Ampere or Zen2 > Zen 3 is truly scary stuff boarding on consumer addiction tbh, that comes at a price sorry to say.

Yeah I agree there is addiction problems there, I broke my own rule myself when I went from 1070 to 1080ti, but I did that because i believed there wouldnt be a gpu at that price again with its position in the market, and so far it has proven true. I stayed out of 2000 series, and unless I can get a FE I will be bypassing 3000 series now as well.

MooMoo444 · 30 Dec 2020 at 22:10

Indeed, always been fascinated with people who will instantly upgrade. Seen so many people selling their 2080 Ti / whatever for 3k series cards. It’s such an expensive addiction.

Gerard · 30 Dec 2020 at 22:15

BigBANGtheory said:
Its really only the consumers that 'must have the fastest and latest' that are feeling the pain. The number of people going from Turing > Ampere or Zen2 > Zen 3 is truly scary stuff boarding on consumer addiction tbh, that comes at a price sorry to say.

Mad way to upgrade imo, if you wait for a few years to pass then you see a more significant performance increase vs the 25% or thereabouts which is standard these days. For me coming from a vega 64 (that never gets close to its boost clock) an upgrade to a 3080 or 6800xt would be massive. Whereas a 2080ti to a 3080 is still an upgrade but not even close to as much,

Joxeon · 30 Dec 2020 at 22:37

I went from a 1070ti > 3080 after skipping Turing as the price/performance was terrible and I'm sure there were many others who chose to ignore Turing and sit on old 9/10 series cards then add to this the demand from the seasonal upgraders coupled with the supply issues all came together to create the current situation.

fs123 · 30 Dec 2020 at 22:44

I've got a 5700XT which serves me well for 1440P so will be skipping the 3080/6800XT and most likely upgrade to the next gen if I get around 100%+ gain. Just not worth it at the moment with crazy prices. RT is just not there yet to entice me.

Grim5 · 30 Dec 2020 at 23:22

Gerard said:
Mad way to upgrade imo, if you wait for a few years to pass then you see a more significant performance increase vs the 25% or thereabouts which is standard these days. For me coming from a vega 64 (that never gets close to its boost clock) an upgrade to a 3080 or 6800xt would be massive. Whereas a 2080ti to a 3080 is still an upgrade but not even close to as much,

back when I was a student I'd only upgrade my cpu and gpu when I could get at least 100% more performance, but now I've got more moola and 30% more is enough for me

mmj_uk · 30 Dec 2020 at 23:57

Dontrocktheboat said:
Console hardware is sold at a loss, currently, yes. But there's a catch, these big cooperation's are doing that for a reason.

Get you locked in into the ecosystem and then pay through the nose for their software over next 5-8years

PC has become an even worse ecosystem though, you have to register with Steam and 50 other services and use an increasingly bloated Windows, any physical media you buy is basically just a code for some online service at this point. At least with consoles you can buy games and play them with no risk of having your account and by extension games library taken away, for now at least...

Dontrocktheboat · 31 Dec 2020 at 00:06

mmj_uk said:
PC has become an even worse ecosystem though, you have to register with Steam and 50 other services and use an increasingly bloated Windows, any physical media you buy is basically just a code for some online service at this point. At least with consoles you can buy games and play them with no risk of having your account and by extension games library taken away, for now at least...

I agree PC and game "launchers"; are getting silly . But

That doesn't make the PC a closed eco system...that's game Devs being crap.

Pc is an open eco system that is another lvl.

I can load a game that 20 years old. Monkey Island. I can play quake with Ray tracing. I can try games online before I purchase them by downloading them. I can bit-mine with my card, and make cash on my pc. I can edit videos, upload videos. Watch movies on whatever player I wish to download.

List is endless.

The two really can't be compared,

Console is a box designed to do X. thats it. And it plays A+B and C.
And A+B+C is going are going to cost however much Sony or Microsoft tell you it's going to cost.

Poneros · 31 Dec 2020 at 00:47

mmj_uk said:
PC has become an even worse ecosystem though, you have to register with Steam and 50 other services and use an increasingly bloated Windows, any physical media you buy is basically just a code for some online service at this point. At least with consoles you can buy games and play them with no risk of having your account and by extension games library taken away, for now at least...

That's actually the exact opposite. On PC you can have your library of DRM free games and do what you will with them, as well as be on whatever version of the game you see fit and no one can really stop you unless the game requires permanent online connection. Not to mention all the workarounds possible in case the original company abandons the game/servers etc. All of which are impossible on consoles.

Your console on the other hand CAN get banned and while that will allow you to play some disk games, only insofar as they don't require patching or an online connection. So I don't know why you have this idea that it's somehow better on consoles, it's factually wrong. In every single way PC is a freer and more open platform.

https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/j...quear-ps5-videogame-que-custa-mais-de-r-5-mil

Grim5 · 31 Dec 2020 at 00:50

Oh you're still waiting for your RTX3080?

Such a shame if I happen to add another 20 cards into my stack

z10m · 31 Dec 2020 at 01:00

Poneros said:
That's actually the exact opposite. On PC you can have your library of DRM free games and do what you will with them, as well as be on whatever version of the game you see fit and no one can really stop you unless the game requires permanent online connection. Not to mention all the workarounds possible in case the original company abandons the game/servers etc. All of which are impossible on consoles.

Your console on the other hand CAN get banned and while that will allow you to play some disk games, only insofar as they don't require patching or an online connection. So I don't know why you have this idea that it's somehow better on consoles, it's factually wrong. In every single way PC is a freer and more open platform.

https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/j...quear-ps5-videogame-que-custa-mais-de-r-5-mil

Absolutely and there are reports of PS5 consoles being already banned from PlayStation network.

Skyboy · 31 Dec 2020 at 01:04

z10m said:
Absolutely and there are reports of PS5 consoles being already banned from PlayStation network.

Microsoft have taken the opposite approach and added an easily accessible dev mode on the series S/X. Or have the gone back on that?

z10m · 31 Dec 2020 at 01:05

Skyboy said:
Microsoft have taken the opposite approach and added an easily accessible dev mode on the series S/X. Or have the gone back on that?

It’s still available as far as I’m aware.

Stu · 31 Dec 2020 at 10:03

MooMoo444 said:
Indeed, always been fascinated with people who will instantly upgrade. Seen so many people selling their 2080 Ti / whatever for 3k series cards. It’s such an expensive addiction.

Some people talking about selling 3080 to get a 3080Ti in a few months...