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No one even mentions the shortage of GDDR6, that's why the prices are so high for a lot of mid/high end GPUs. Give it 3-4 weeks, hopefully VRAM supply will improve by then.

If the prices are high for the GDDR6 graphics cards, it pushes up the prices of higher tier products like the 3080/3090. The price is always what people are willing to pay.
 
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A2B said:
I'm especially baffled by the premium for the 'OC' cards. I don't think they're a lot faster right? I mean FE's get around 1850-2000 depending. Don't think it's worth the extra personally.
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That has pretty much been the case since they changed the way GPU boost worked.

The higher end cards are only worth it for going LN2 and that’s only the case for the super binned chip, unlocked bios and beefed up power delivery.
 
I've seen some 6800XT in stock at £950 elsewhere so was thinking there won't be anyone dumb enough to bite but they were gone within an hour. Sad times when idiots will pay through the nose for a gpu. Only encourages retailers to keep putting up prices.
 
I think the availability situation will clear up for GDDR6 GPUs when the RTX 3060 and RX 6700 series release, since both of these will utilize GDDR6 VRAM.

It would be logical to only release these products when the availability of VRAM has improved substantially, since they both will be more affordable, high volume (high yield?) products that use large amounts of GDDR6 VRAM (12GB). The reasoning behind this is - Why would you put a scarce product like GDDR6 in your low/mid end GPUs, when you could make more profit from higher end desktop and mobile GPUs...

If I'm right - I think the lesson to learn is that buyers should generally wait for an entire product series to launch, rather than just the high end products (I'm sure this will seem obvious to some).

According to Hexus, the RTX 3060 should be released in Late February (probably the last week of Feb). Link here:
https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/147324-nvidia-expected-release-geforce-rtx-3060-end-feb/

It's quite possible there won't be an RTX 3050 in the 3000 series, as there was no 'RTX 2050'.
 
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fs123 said:
I've seen some 6800XT in stock at £950 elsewhere so was thinking there won't be anyone dumb enough to bite but they were gone within an hour. Sad times when idiots will pay through the nose for a gpu. Only encourages retailers to keep putting up prices.
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That place had a decent amount of 6900XT stock too by the looks of it.
 
g67575 said:
It would be logical to only release these products when the availability of VRAM has improved substantially, since they both will be more affordable, high volume (high yield?) products that use large amounts of GDDR6 VRAM (12GB). The reasoning behind this is - Why would you put a scarce product like GDDR6 in your low/mid end GPUs, when you could make more profit from higher end desktop and mobile GPUs...
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yeah that makes sense.
 
g67575 said:
The price is always what people are willing to pay.
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You only have to look at console sales to see that this really isn't the case. The price can be MSRP when the retailers have integrity. Also, this is the FE thread and nobody here bought one from Nvidia or their partner and paid more than MRSP.
 
varkanoid said:
I dont think you can say the same for AMD 6xxx series.
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AMD could have had more on shelves im sure if they didn't have the console contract supposedly taking up 70% of their business at present. We've heard a lot about samsung yield issues and gddr6x yield issues but not anything about any yield issues on the tsmc side. And if there was presumably it would have been news by now. Doesn't help that both ms and sony want even more production for console components. =/
 
Dirk Diggler said:
You only have to look at console sales to see that this really isn't the case. The price can be MSRP when the retailers have integrity. Also, this is the FE thread and nobody here bought one from Nvidia or their partner and paid more than MRSP.
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Hardly anyone here managed to buy an FE - judging by comments and the fact we haven't had a half decent drop in about a month. With consoles it's different, they can sell at cost or sometimes even make a loss on the hardware. They hope to make it back on the games / subscriptions / other digital purchases and accessories.
 
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Hardly anyone here managed to buy an FE here - judging by comments and the fact we haven't had a half decent drop in about a month. With consoles it's different, they can sell at cost or sometimes even make a loss on the hardware. They hope to make it back on the games / subscriptions / other digital purchases and accessories.
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You're confusing manufacturer pricing with retailer gouging. Yes, Sony can sell at a loss and recoup in other ways; the point is that when the price was set for the PS5 then that's what they sold for. In their millions, with huge demand. Just like the GPUs, the consoles have been out of stock for months.

What's the difference between the retailer that sold a PS5 at MRSP and the retailers selling GPUs at any price they think they can get away with? Your statement that "The price is always what people are willing to pay" doesn't hold true because you can see on eBay and CES that people are "willing" to pay more than MRSP in the second hand market for console, but the retail market has stuck to MRSP.

To answer my own question, the retailers who are scalping the price are selling the products as if they were second hand to the highest bidder. The difference with an eBay scalper is at least they have the integrity to sell actual stock that they have ready to post to the buyer. These retailers aren't selling at these prices because people are throwing money at them, they're doing it because they can. If this isn't anti consumer practice then I don't know what is.
 
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I think we're getting a bit off track talking about scalping on Ebay (can't be avoided anyway) and consoles tbh... The real question is, when will we get affordable GDDR6 graphics cards available in large quantities? I know a lot will want a RTX 3080, but I think that's gonna require some patience, or just a big stack of £££. The majority of Ampere / RDNA2 GPUs are still using GDDR6.

Unpopular view :) - The RTX 3080 even at £650 isn't especially great value imo, the price increase from the RTX 3070 FE isn't reflected in the performance increase at 4K - you always hit a wall in what the latest tech. can achieve towards the top end products, even more so with the RTX 3090. GA102 chips also consume a lot of power, compared to the GA104, which is much more power efficient (maybe the reason it was chosen for Ampere GPUs in laptops).

Actually, it looks like the most power efficient chips have gone into mobile RTX 3080s and the Quadro A4000 (both GA104) with 6144 Shader Units, shame theirs no higher clocked consumer desktop equivalent (yet).
 
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A2B said:
interestingly, nv actually sold double the amount of 3000 series as 2000 series when they launched, for the same duration. so they had 'normal' stock, but demand is just off the charts this time. partly due to the perf uplift and better price, and of course everyone spending more time at home.
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I really don’t buy this. If my memory is right RTX 2000 was a bit of a bum launch. 2070 gave 1080 performance but actually cost more. with RTX a gimmick.

It wasn’t until the supper cards turned up that there was any value.

RTX 3000 looks good now as it looks like two jumps in generational performance but actually we missed one with the 2000 range.

Ask yourself how is this launch compared to Pascal? Where arguably the 1080 and 1080ti where a bit too good.
 
g67575 said:
Unpopular view :) - The RTX 3080 even at £650 isn't especially great value imo, the price increase from the RTX 3070 FE isn't reflected in the performance increase at 4K - you always hit a wall in what the latest tech. can achieve towards the top end products, even more so with the RTX 3090.
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Looks a decent enough jump to me :)
 
The 3080, at the $700 price point is in-line with the kind of generational performance increases we got before Turing. Not amazing, but good.

Turing made normal improvement look amazing though.
 
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