EV general discussion

Hyundai/Kia do have 5/6 years of making really decent EVs in their locker though. But this is a new all EV only platform granted.

In case you missed it, almost all of those really decent EVs has had at least one recall notice issued for various defects related to the battery charging, regenerative braking and even the supplied granny chargers so it's not like they've not had issues already. Some cars (2018 Konas) have had 5 recall notices issued. My car (built May 2020) has only had one - for an issue with the ABS and regenerative braking. But at that one, they replaced the granny charger with a more 'bounce-resistant, droppable' one which other cars were recalled for.
 
Hyundai/Kia do have 5/6 years of making really decent EVs in their locker though. But this is a new all EV only platform granted.

apparently not from the fairly significant Kona battery issue setting fire. That said it’s more of a supplier cell quality issue as I understand.
 
apparently not from the fairly significant Kona battery issue setting fire. That said it’s more of a supplier cell quality issue as I understand.

As I understand it, LG Chem supplied batteries to Hyundai for the production of BEVs which may have the capacity to internally short and then catch fire. The new battery management system (BMS) updates specifically check for the shorts during the charge process and if they detect a short they stop the charge process and permanently disable the battery. Which requires a complete new battery pack. Hyundai have been really open about all these issues and have been swapping out battery packs as required and, in some cases, buying back cars from customers. The issue only affects Korean built vehicles (which includes UK RHD Kona and Ioniq models). I believe the battery suppliers have specified new separators in the battery packs from March 2020 and anything built after that should be unaffected.

Fires have only been caused in Korean market vehicles being DC (rapid) charged in high (25C+) ambient temperatures so the risk in the UK is very low. That said, several UK customers have had their battery packs replaced under warranty which would imply that the BMS detected a short.
 
You would like an EV but don't have driveway parking for charging. The Oxford council are trialling this neat solution. Could be easily rolled out across the rest of the UK.
Link : https://www.odsgroup.co.uk/News/202...yH2jWifJpppX7KDrjOLBRClzHm69u2j3tOJvoQOHPrmtI

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Interesting idea, but I'm curious about how this will work with terraced houses like mine that are directly on the street, i.e., they don't have that little walled in part at the front, and so have nowhere to install the charger. And also, I can't remember the last time I actually got to park outside my own house.
 
And also, I can't remember the last time I actually got to park outside my own house.

To touch on that point, it would seem inevitable if you live on a street with no assigned parking, as more and more people get a plug in vehicle they will all get in line and want to park outside there own home, in the mean time I'd imagine the councils will put in a permit/assigned space type affair.

Interesting idea, but I'm curious about how this will work with terraced houses like mine that are directly on the street, i.e., they don't have that little walled in part at the front, and so have nowhere to install the charger.

You can already get chargers that are portable and only need a commando socket to be plugged in to. Assuming there is a least a pavement there is nothing stopping them fitting a meter style box with the charger inside directly on the wall of the house.
 
To touch on that point, it would seem inevitable if you live on a street with no assigned parking, as more and more people get a plug in vehicle they will all get in line and want to park outside there own home, in the mean time I'd imagine the councils will put in a permit/assigned space type affair.
I'd imagine most people already try to park outside their own house. Every street will have someone with; multiple cars, a work van, a mini bus, some project/toy car, a camper van etc. Probably multiple households, that is what causes the shuffling around of cars as people try and get as close to their house as possible using the spaces created by households without a car.
 
I'd imagine most people already try to park outside their own house. Every street will have someone with; multiple cars, a work van, a mini bus, some project/toy car, a camper van etc. Probably multiple households, that is what causes the shuffling around of cars as people try and get as close to their house as possible using the spaces created by households without a car.

As I said no doubt councils will end up just assigning spaces, and running permit schemes much like happens in many places already, and if you have more than one car, then tough you can park one car in your assigned space, and put the other one somewhere else if you must have more than one but chose to live somewhere with limited parking.
 
As I understand it, LG Chem supplied batteries to Hyundai for the production of BEVs which may have the capacity to internally short and then catch fire. The new battery management system (BMS) updates specifically check for the shorts during the charge process and if they detect a short they stop the charge process and permanently disable the battery. Which requires a complete new battery pack. Hyundai have been really open about all these issues and have been swapping out battery packs as required and, in some cases, buying back cars from customers. The issue only affects Korean built vehicles (which includes UK RHD Kona and Ioniq models). I believe the battery suppliers have specified new separators in the battery packs from March 2020 and anything built after that should be unaffected.

Fires have only been caused in Korean market vehicles being DC (rapid) charged in high (25C+) ambient temperatures so the risk in the UK is very low. That said, several UK customers have had their battery packs replaced under warranty which would imply that the BMS detected a short.
Would it be a case of contacting hyundai myself or would they recall it if they knew it had an LG battery?
 
You should have had a recall for a BMS update if you were due one. Once you have the latest BMS the car ‘hangs’ for 2-5 minutes when you plug it in. This is it checking the battery cells. Once it’s happy there are no shorts, it charges. If it detects a short, it will only let you put the car in P or N and you get a gigantic warning triangle in the display saying ‘Drive Battery Fault’ or something like that. Then you call the dealer and they’ll come and take it away. So long as your car was manufactured after March 2020 it’s fine. Anything else is potentially affected.
 
I found this amusing.
A person in a car park saw a Tesla moving without a driver and thought it was a run-away car. This could become more common until it’s wider known about self driving and smart summon.

 
Well the new Ioniq 5 looks great in terms of features, and interior design.

Solar roof - check
Ability to charge another car - check
Ability to power any device up to 3.6kW - check
AR HUD - check
800v Architecture - check

Raising the bar, embarrassing the supposed superior german manufacturers.
 
Yeah just saw it on Fully Charged, looks good especially the boot/interior space.

Didn't mention the 0-60 and BHP though did they?

Quoting Autocar
"The most powerful version, a dual-motor, all-wheel-drive Ioniq 5 with combined power of 302bhp and a total of 446lb ft, will cover 0-62mph in 5.2sec and is capable of 115mph. The slowest version, with a 58kWh, 167bhp rear-wheel-drive set-up, manages 0-62mph in 8.5sec. "

New Hyundai Ioniq 5 arrives with retro design, 292-mile range | Autocar

I quite like the looks of it.
 
Looks nice, pretty expensive for a Hyundai though.

It’s becoming a bit of a trend with EV’s to absolutely load them up with what would normally be pretty high margin options and pushing up the price accordingly.
 
Looks nice, pretty expensive for a Hyundai though.

It’s becoming a bit of a trend with EV’s to absolutely load them up with what would normally be pretty high margin options and pushing up the price accordingly.
First editions are on trend
Lower priced & spec with a single motor will probably follow
 
Well the new Ioniq 5 looks great in terms of features, and interior design.

Solar roof - check
Ability to charge another car - check
Ability to power any device up to 3.6kW - check
AR HUD - check
800v Architecture - check

Raising the bar, embarrassing the supposed superior german manufacturers.


It's a great looking car too which isn't always the case with Korean manufacturers, I would consider one of these for my wife.
 
It’s becoming a bit of a trend with EV’s to absolutely load them up with what would normally be pretty high margin options and pushing up the price accordingly.

In some ways there is sometimes a benefit there of making things easier.

I do agree with Robert in his most recent Citreon video, that if it shares a platform with the petrol car, then there's no real reason not to have spec parity and offer a really low cost version - Instead they seem to load them up with stuff like the massaging seats.

But for instance with the Polestar 2 at the moment, the only options are - Metallic Paint / Wheel Size / Leather / Tow Cable and nothing else because it's loaded with everything you could want/need on a car like that, and that's not a bad thing.
 
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