Pontins black lists people with common Irish surnames.

Staying at a similar park when I was younger, we were advised to watch out for the Liverpudlians.
 
Hades said:
Blacklist and whitelist are being discouraged in a lot of open source projects already.

Wikipedia suggests it was being used in England as early as 1639. I'm fairly sure there were no black people in the country back then. So it doesn't seem to be related to being negative about black people. Throughout my life I had assumed it originated from "black sheep of the family", which in turn literally comes from the fact one sheep can sometimes be born with black wool.
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‘Black sheep’ is used to describe someone who doesn’t fit in, is undesirable, a nuisance or is in some way inherently awkward to the status quo. Yes, it comes from the literal occurrence of sheep being born of an atypical colour, but it’s understandable why it might be a phrase thats phased out.

An example of a phrase that refers to colour which seems sensible to retain is ‘whitewashing’ which, as far as my understanding goes, is the idea of painting over an issue (‘white paint’) so that the problem at first glance goes away (without really dealing with it). In that case, I’d suggest the reference to ‘white’ is more incidental and less prone to cause offence than inference of flat out ‘black is bad’, but I appreciate there is an argument to be made that it’s the same thing. I think you would have to be particularly (unduly) sensitive to get aggrieved by ‘whitewashing’.
 
hurfdurf said:
I lose what? I don’t understand. I’ve asked for an explanation.

That article clearly shows police were not afraid, they just didn’t have the resources to deal with 100 criminals. In fact one unit alone blocked the entrance until he was needed else where to deal with a knife wielding mad man. This is more of an indictment of woeful police numbers and resources than is it any fear.

I’m asking for his opinion the police were scared in his area, and you’ve posted a Daily Mail article.
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They were scurred.

You cant watch people committing a crime for 3 days and let them drive off.

Thats insane!
 
Feek said:
Over the years, we've had some fantastic holidays at Pontins, when I was a kid, our family used to go most years to one of their camps every year and we carried on doing it when our children were young.

The food was relatively decent and all included, the chalets were passable, the evening entertainment was always fun and the beer was a good price. They weren't like Hi-de-hi at all.
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Exactly. Have been to a number of Pontins camps when I was nipper and remember thoroughly enjoying our stays there. Did the same later when Sir Fred opened up his business to include resorts around the Mediterranean.

These were some of the first package holidays available to and affordable by working class Brits.

Having travelled all over the world now for work and holidays, I’m not sure I’d fancy a stay at a Pontins now unless it was a themed event or suchlike.
 
Hades said:
Thinking logically it makes sense that black is used for "bad" and white for "good" when night time was a more dangerous time and early superstitious cultures believed that spirits came out at night, etc.
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It might be as old as mammal life is - we're afraid of the dark before we learn to speak and things like night terrors have a possible evolutionary origin.
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
English Partition.
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Under the watch of James the VI of Scotland and occupied by a reasonably large swath of Scots and English northerners?

Apologies I think you meant the partition in the early 1900s and not the land taken in the 1600s
 
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ttaskmaster said:
I disagree.
Rather than change dozens of terms and phrases with etymology that has nothing to do with skin colours (black list, in the black, black sheep of the family, black as night, etc), perhaps we should instead change just the two words representing the primary opposing sides in this race war?

After all, the 'White' people are basically pinky-beige and the 'Black' people are varying shades of brown.... y'know, if you wanted to get all correct about correct use of correct words and all that!! :D
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Nice to see someone speaking sense.

I despair at where all this will end.

I have yet to come across anyone (outside of the "look at me" woke-agenda brigade) who has genuinely been offended by such terms.

If all someone has to worry about is being "offended" by a word then they should count themselves very fortunate indeed.
 
Hussman said:
Nice to see someone speaking sense.

I despair at where all this will end.

I have yet to come across anyone (outside of the "look at me" woke-agenda brigade) who has genuinely been offended by such terms.

If all someone has to worry about is being "offended" by a word then they should count themselves very fortunate indeed.
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You despair at what equates to a mild inconvenience to you but could create a more inclusive environment for others? :confused:

I imagine the reason you have yet to come across anyone is because your friends probably look a lot like you, and share similar personality traits.

Surely you could question without prejudice, if you were a small young, black boy or girl, why everything "bad" around is declared 'black' and why everything good and angelic is 'white'?

Note I am not proposing a solution to this at all, but I am seeking to understand how this is even a discussion. And often it is more curious as to why white people are so abruptly against it as to why it was even questioned in the first place?
 
Yes, most of my friends are the same ethnic origin as myself, it is known as affinity bias. People, on the whole, choose to socialise with those they deem to be similar to themselves.

My work colleagues are mostly vastly different from myself. They are human, I am human. As long as we treat each other with respect and tolerance that is what matters to me.

I'm not prepared to take the amount of time necessary to debate this as I have more pressing matters, but I'd just like to say not everything which is declared "black" is bad. (As you seem to be inferring in your post.)

For example, the black ball in snooker is worth the most points, the Mercedes Black Series, Black Friday, Black cats are lucky, American Express Black card, Black belt in karate...
 
dLockers said:
You despair at what equates to a mild inconvenience to you but could create a more inclusive environment for others? :confused:
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dLockers said:
Surely you could question without prejudice, if you were a small young, black boy or girl, why everything "bad" around is declared 'black' and why everything good and angelic is 'white'?
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No, it tends it be people like you who question it and get offended on the behalf of others. I'd suggest the biggest issue with an inclusive environment for everyone is people like you pushing your race agenda on everybody.
 
Hussman said:
I'd just like to say not everything which is declared "black" is bad. (As you seem to be inferring in your post.)

For example, the black ball in snooker is worth the most points, the Mercedes Black Series, Black Friday, Black cats are lucky, American Express Black card, Black belt in karate...
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How could you crap on his dreams with things like that?
 
200sols said:
No, it tends it be people like you who question it and get offended on the behalf of others. I'd suggest the biggest issue with an inclusive environment for everyone is people like you pushing your race agenda on everybody.
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I'm not offended on behalf of others at all - made that clear many times. I am not arrogant enough to ignore where the question comes from though, and get all triggered and upset about it and start claiming racism against white people :D
 
Hussman said:
Yes, most of my friends are the same ethnic origin as myself, it is known as affinity bias. People, on the whole, choose to socialise with those they deem to be similar to themselves.

My work colleagues are mostly vastly different from myself. They are human, I am human. As long as we treat each other with respect and tolerance that is what matters to me.

I'm not prepared to take the amount of time necessary to debate this as I have more pressing matters, but I'd just like to say not everything which is declared "black" is bad. (As you seem to be inferring in your post.)

For example, the black ball in snooker is worth the most points, the Mercedes Black Series, Black Friday, Black cats are lucky, American Express Black card, Black belt in karate...
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Dis86 said:
How could you crap on his dreams with things like that?
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:D Totally pwnt me good job chaps. I wonder what there problem is honestly.

Well anyway at least we can all align on hating travellers as per the other thread.

The sheer number of threads on race in GD recently is really weird. Are we all that fragile that we can't cope with these ideas without venting on the internet?

Edit: Just realised this is the travelers thread. My god so much crap on race I'm losing track of the number of offended white people.
 
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Hades said:
Blacklist and whitelist are being discouraged in a lot of open source projects already.

Wikipedia suggests it was being used in England as early as 1639. I'm fairly sure there were no black people in the country back then. So it doesn't seem to be related to being negative about black people. Throughout my life I had assumed it originated from "black sheep of the family", which in turn literally comes from the fact one sheep can sometimes be born with black wool.
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I'm not sure that's true. There's evidence of black people in ancient Rome. I could be wrong though.

I don't hate travellers.
 
Hussman said:
For example, the black ball in snooker is worth the most points, the Mercedes Black Series, Black Friday, Black cats are lucky, American Express Black card, Black belt in karate...
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Is anyone really saying that everything black is bad?

It's more to the point that the word "black" tends to denote or symbolise negativity or death. But of course not everything which bears the colour black is bad.
 
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