It's not even proud to be human let alone white, we are a disgusting species
This, tbh
Is it ok to be proud to be white?
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This, tbh
Wow, is this the argument clinic monty python sketch
?When I said no it isn't, I was agreeing with you. Try to read the post you're replying to before mashing the submit button.
Yep, I do understand that point of view and I agree with you that there is a difference. My point is that I think some people really read "white", lump it in as a cultural thing, and see not being able to be proud of it as being an attack on their identity/culture/homeland. I think most of this debate stems from this initial source of vague definition/people seeing the question differently.
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Nationalism is group solidarity, and that's a survival advantage that has been naturally selected since before there were humans. It sits on a spectrum with a sensible centre and pernicious extremes. Not enough in-group solidarity and you lose the advantages of a cohesive team. Too much and it becomes out-group hostility.
Don’t be fooled by ideologues turning things they don't like into “isms”.
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Basicaly he cant go and ask to be paid the same as them as he would be laughed at. So he has had to pick on a women.
Im fairly sure the usual answer here is if he doesnt like it he knows what he can do.
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People will fight and argue over just about anything, Take football supporters for example. They have no financial investment in the team they support but are willing to mob up and fight another group of supporters supporting another team! 
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I agree with what's be said in that being proud to be black isn't the same as someone saying they are proud to be white.
I think people are just getting sick of the race card being played too often where no racism was intended.buuttt..
You do get women's mags titled Black women's beauty or what have you, You couldn't do the same with White women's beauty as that's racist.
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I agree with what's be said in that being proud to be black isn't the same as someone saying they are proud to be white.
I think people are just getting sick of the race card being played too often where no racism was intended.buuttt..
You do get women's mags titled Black women's beauty or what have you, You couldn't do the same with White women's beauty as that's racist.
As I explained (and you ignored), that's not the case. Basically, you're making stuff up.
Conversely I am pretty sure I could identify one of your posts with reasonable accuracy by spotting the inane posts in a thread that offered little to nothing about the actual topic at hand
You really excel at failing with basic reading comprehension, even with your own sources, don't you?
So from your link it has nothing to do with 'picking on a woman' and everything to do that he was adversely affected by his employer choosing to waive pay cuts in one particular case because of a colleagues protected charteristics. Which ironically meant that the next person through the door would have a claim if not afforded the same consideration.
If what he says is true (about the decision to treat his colleague more favourably based on her race and/ or sex) then he has a clear case.
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I agree - I don't get this constant narrative and sneering where Nationalism is seen as a bad thing. It doesn't automatically mean small-mindedness or hostility towards others.
I guess some people are assuming that all "Nationalism" equals Ingerlund style football hooligan attitudes or worse.
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I can see that was absolutely useful in the past where small communities relied on each other to increase their chances of survival. Nationalism in modern history has tended to lead to very bad outcomes. It tends to be used to perpetuate the idea of that country's superiority and that other countries are rivals.
Patriotism I can more get on board with as it tends to look at the positive values the country and society stands for— freedom, justice, equality and fair play.
Well you can blame far right groups like the National Front, BNP, EDL and Britain First for that.
Wow, is this the argument clinic monty python sketch
When I said no it isn't, I was agreeing with you. Try to read the post you're replying to before mashing the submit button.
Buddy I drink way too much to waste time reading posts before I reply to them!
It's zero sum group solidarity. It's an arbitrary use of group solidarity up to a point which happens to be a national border. Patriotism I get and fits with what you describe, nationalism takes that a step further to actively disadvantage anybody who doesn't sit within those borders and that's why it's bad. If you want buy in and co-operation you can't actively root against the people you want co-operation from.
None of this is proof.
It's just a belief in the Nation state, that is literally "Nationalism". It's not necessarily to the detriment or exclusion of others. I am a Nationalist because I believe Britain should govern itself and we should put the well being of our citizens first, which is what any nation that is opposed to us is doing. People have this weird disgust in the UK of being patriotic, they're like embarrassed and want to severely distance themselves from anything that could be viewed as even close to Nationalism, it's bizarre and unique to the UK.
How can you believe in the supremacy of the nation state without accepting that it means that other nation states are lesser in some way? You say that the UK should put its citizens first, in a zero sum game how does that square with no detriment to other nations/citizens?
You've used the word supremacy and then decided it's a zero sum game, probably because it's the same way you would define economics. That isn't how the world works. Us putting our citizens first doesn't put anyone else down because they are all doing the same thing, it's only morons in this country that have this shame about being British and probably go abroad on holiday apologising and being embarrassed about it.
If you put one group of people first, how is that not by definition putting other groups of people 'not first'? Putting our people first is by definition deciding that they have some degree of supremacy over other people.
I'm not sure why you're going off on some angry tangent about shame about being British as I haven't alluded to it and it's frankly an irrelevant and emotive distraction from poor argumentative form.
How is putting British citizens first inferring they're superior in any way? Is putting your family before a strangers family also inferring supremacy? It's just wrong. We put British citizens first because we are also British, we are a national community who look after each other. I assume you want us to continue paying to the NHS because you're proud of that, but you're against the idea of Nationalism? How does that work? Why should I pay taxes towards a National health system if my fellow citizens apparently see no value in the nation state and their fellow citizens?
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Putting something first is by definition inferring it is superior to other things, that is how prioritisation works. For something to be put first, other things have to be put second or third, i.e. a lesser priority. I'm not really sure how I can communicate that to you any more clearly than I have done.
Quite why you're off on some unrelated, emotive tangent about the NHS and taxation is baffling.
So is someone putting their family first saying they believe their family is superior because they're prioritising? My post isn't baffling you're just struggling to come up with a counter argument because your point is dumb