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As if anyone normal is proud to be white.
Is it ok to be proud to be white?
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That kinda makes a mockery of the concept of a "Meritocracy" (unless you have endless bands or grades. It also raises problems where people are paid commission or a performance related bonus.
However, I suspect that there is more to this disparity in remuneration
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Nope, that’s exactly how wages should work.
Same role, same skills, same time in post, same experience = same pay.
Same role, more skilled or more time in post or more experience = more pay.
Absolutely. I agree. I'm just making the point because many people seem to forget that, especially in promoted high paid positions like those being discussed, you're not being paid for the "job role". You're being paid because and in relation to your experience, qualifications and ability you bring to the job.
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What you both havent taken in to account is she was there 15 months before him and was being paid what others were being paid to do the job. He came in after they cut wages.It's unacceptable that he should complain about it. It's clearly not sexism when a woman is being paid more than a man. That's positive action and progressive as women are a protected identity group. Males are already over privileged within our patriarchal society so don't deserve the right to be paid the same as a woman in the same role.
Ironicaly he isnt complaining about the other white men that are getting paid more than him. He is just bothered that a black women is getting paid more.
Take that in!
the real question "is anyone proud to be British ?" regardless of skin colourAs if anyone normal is proud to be white.
You have absolutely no evidence that your highlighted statement is true.
It's an obvious side effect of the way the law is written - a claim of discrimination has to be made on the basis of one or more legally protected characteristics. In this case, sex and "race". Obviously, that rules out a claim referring to someone else of the same sex and "race".
Also, a key part of this particular case is the claim that there is evidence that the pay cut was in place before she was given the job and that the pay cut was waived for her because of her sex and "race".
So there's a relevant thing you haven't taken into account and a thing you've made up. Not a compelling argument.
I think it's impossible to tell if it's a clear case either way without seeing that claimed evidence about when the pay cuts were introduced. The reason why she was put on the old salary and not the new salary is the key point - whether it was just lucky timing on her part or whether she was given the previous salary because of her sex and "race".
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Prove it.
It's the same thing. Why would you be proud of any characteristic you cannot control? I'm proud of things I've done through graft, but I can't control where my parents shagged and had me so why on earth would I be proud of it?
lol if you're proud to be white you're basically taking credit for your white parents shagging irresponsibly* which is basically the same as stolen valour from the hope for heroes boys and girls (support the armed forces) who fought for us and defended us from the taliban and isis and the second world war.
* u were a mistake m8, sorry u had to find out this way lol
Would you honestly say this to an immigrant, or a native/indigenous American/Australian about pride in their culture? I know that although you'll say yes, you must acknowledge that you would be more sensitive about it. My hope is that this highlights the issue the thread is getting at.
Nationalism is a bad thing that leads to bad outcomes.
You can be proud of your heritage and culture, but that isn't the same as being proud of the place you happened to be birthed or the colour of your skin. For instance, my Indian girlfriend who has white skin whilst her mother looks like she's just arrived from Lahore. You can choose to disown your heritage and culture if you don't like it, you cannot choose where you were born or what your skin colour is or retroactively change it. I say this as somebody whose cultural upbringing is very different to their national upbringing. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just pointing out a rather glaring logical fallacy which you're now twisting into something different. Your culture is not your skin colour unless you're...???
e: gonna get ahead of the curve, Lahore was the first city that came to my mind even though it's Pakistan, not India, but still the Indian subcontinent and it's very hot in Lahore which is a reference to skin colour which I am not allowed to make because it's insensitive, fite me
No it isn't, but there's obvious a connection. Do you deny that genetics and heritage and culture often go hand in hand?
Yes it is, I already explained why so we needn't ask each other the same questions over and over with slightly different phrasing.
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The difference is being not white has always been a hurdle for most so i its slightly different. When you as a race have been looked down on and made to feel worthless thats when you say I am proud to be ..... despite what others say.
There is a difference to being proud to be something and just not ashamed to be something.
Non whites and even the working class have mostly been looked down on through history and treated like they should be ashamed of their <class/colour/religion/whatever>. Why should someone feel the need to be proud to be white? It makes no sense to me.
Not being ashamed to be white is something I can stand with. Proud to be white, concidering, sounds a bit off without context. Being proud to be working class fine.
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Nail on head. With such a plethora of things to be proud of, it seems so odd to pick your skin colour when it can mean such a spectrum of things to the listener. Even white people discussing being proud of being white with other white people is open to massive interpretation. Why tread the line?
Reminds me of Jeff Innocent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdzFzg_YvGQ