The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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^ Looks like the usual bunch of reprobates. Probably the same bunch that march in support whenever there's a terrorist attack in the UK
 
robgmun said:
I mean this isn't the first time, every time Hamas tries to lob a few rockets back Israel brings down the rain and bomb them back to the stone age. You have to wonder why they don't seem to learn that lesson unless it's a deliberate attempt to goad Israel to make themselves look hard done by. I do wonder if Hamas thinks that children dying is a price worth paying to make Israel look like the bad guys. Surely with even a little thought, they knew exactly how this would play out. Unless this is what they want to happen.
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Your forgetting the bit where they are firing rockets because of the slow genocide perpetrated by one of the most wealthy militaries in the world.
 
Lysander said:
A ground invasion into Gaza is utterly insane. I really hope they don't. That means war.
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It was kinda likely when they turned down the ceasefire offer, they're going to try and deal a serious blow to Hamas's ability to fire rockets.

I don't agree with the settlement building in the West Bank, the evictions in Jerusalem seems pretty dodgy too - they do seem to have a case in terms of property rights in that the properties belong to some Jewish settler organisation... but it isn't like the original Jewish families themselves are claiming them back (they've transferred their ownership to that organisations) and the Palestinians living there now have been there for a few decades - squatters have gained control of properties in far less time! Seems dodgy because it isn't clear the Israeli court should have jurisdiction there, technically that part of Jerusalem is supposed to go to the Palestinians and there are plenty of similar claims re: properties that have been taken from Palestinians within Israel itself, seemingly this only works one way.

IMO it just needs to be split in two - withdraw the West Bank settlements as they did with Gaza and both sides will have to accept that Jewish claims to land in the West Bank/East Jerusalem are going to have to be forfeited as is any right of return/claims to land within Israel by Palestinians... then just keep a big wall between the two (perhaps UN-controlled for a bit). Gaza gets opened up under some probationary period - if any missiles/rockets get fired after opening up then that status gets revoked and the blockade restarted.

Hamas has a lot to answer for here tbh... it always seems dodgy to me how people can outright support one side in this thing, seems to be an American or right-wing thing to support Israel completely and turn a blind eye to issues they could resolve and a left-wing thing to support Palestinians completely and turn a blind eye to their terrorism etc.. or to try and be an apologist for it.

It's gotta be a big confusing for far-right types who otherwise hate Jewish people, likewise the uber woke types - pronouns in the bio/LGBTQ etc.. supporting Hamas, an organisation that has killed gay people in the past, outlawed LGBT organisations and outlawed homosexuality in general in Gaza...

You only need to look at this thread for example, Hurf Durf is a trans sex worker for example and yet he seems to be fully behind Palestine.
 
AFAIK so far no Israeli forces have entered Gaza - they have some troops amassed near the border but only operations inside are via artillery (ground and naval) and from the air.
 
Nasher said:
Hamas kept provoking Isreal. They should have expected to get steamrolled eventually. Not sure what the tactic of randomly firing off rockets at them was ever going to achieve.

The rest of the world won't do anything because every time they have helped a bunch of Islamentalists, it's come back to bite later on.
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What actually kicked this off this time was the latest wave of eviction of palestinians from their homes on the west bank so Israeli setters can build their houses there. And by eviction they're turfed out of their houses which are subsequently demolished, no compensation offered obviously and they don't get the right of appeal. They subsequently stormed the Al Aqsa mosque which is the third most holy site in Islam, can you imagine if a foreign army invaded the Vatican? Jewish fundamantalists of which there are a lot in Israel and active in politics have pushed for years to have the mosque which was built in the 6thC iirc razed to the ground in order to rebuild the Temple of Solomon which stood on the site and was demolished by the Romans.

Nasher said:
Hamas is a terrorist group and listed as one. They aren't going to get real help from the US or anyone else, except maybe from the Muslim dictatorships like Iran. Even Russia is staying out of this one.
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And yet they're the elected govt there, and just who draws up and decides the lists anyhow? And Iran isn't a dictatorship either.

Rroff said:
AFAIK so far no Israeli forces have entered Gaza - they have some troops amassed near the border but only operations inside are via artillery (ground and naval) and from the air.
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Not yet, history shows they're simply waiting for the order presumably once they're organised in the way they want. Everyone knows whats coming next hence gaza residents fleeing their houses already.
 
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dowie said:
It's gotta be a big confusing for far-right types who otherwise hate Jewish people, likewise the uber woke types - pronouns in the bio/LGBTQ etc.. supporting Hamas, an organisation that has killed gay people in the past, outlawed LGBT organisations and outlawed homosexuality in general in Gaza...
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only for really really dumb people who buy into identity politics and can’t see the infinite shades of grey or context of issues.

dowie said:
You only need to look at this thread for example, Hurf Durf is a trans sex worker for example and yet he seems to be fully behind Palestine.
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Being behind Palestinians does not equal support for Hamas.

Which way am I trans in your mind by the way, am I MtF or FtM?
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Not yet, history shows they're simply waiting for the order presumably once they're organised in the way they want. Everyone knows whats coming next hence gaza residents fleeing their houses already.
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Yeah historically at this point the response is typically severe and punishing.

Not a great time for a serious incursion though - the politics isn't really on Israel's side and the likes of Iran have even more motivation due to recent events (sabotage, assassinations and other interdiction activities) to be even more involved albeit indirectly.
 
hurfdurf said:
only for really really dumb people who buy into identity politics and can’t see the infinite shades of grey or context of issues.
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Well exactly that. You can support a clear underdog here (Palestine) without having to support and embrace terrorists like Hamas.

I'm sure Angillion and Carackus2k and anyone else here obsessed with identity politics will say you can only pick one side or the other though.
 
I always think Israel show quite a lot of restraint when the terrorists start lobbing missiles over, they have the military might to absolutely steamroller Gaza if they so wished. One day Hamas will go too far and that will be it.
 
So it seems Netanyahu can't form government and is in trouble for all kinds of corruption. This is a distraction to gain populist support.

dowie said:
they do seem to have a case in terms of property rights in that the properties belong to some Jewish settler organisation... but it isn't like the original Jewish families themselves are claiming them back (they've transferred their ownership to that organisations) and the Palestinians living there now have been there for a few decades - squatters have gained control of properties in far less time! Seems dodgy because it isn't clear the Israeli court should have jurisdiction there, technically that part of Jerusalem is supposed to go to the Palestinians and there are plenty of similar claims re: properties that have been taken from Palestinians within Israel itself, seemingly this only works one way.
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Like you say if they had any true interest in 'property rights' a large percentage of Israel would be returned to Palestinians. It's an excuse for annexing Jerusalem long term.
 
dowie said:
it always seems dodgy to me how people can outright support one side in this thing, seems to be an American or right-wing thing to support Israel completely and turn a blind eye to issues they could resolve and a left-wing thing to support Palestinians completely and turn a blind eye to their terrorism etc.. or to try and be an apologist for it
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You appear to forget the majority, whether intentionally or ignorantly, who are simply pro human rights.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
So it seems Netanyahu can't form government and is in trouble for all kinds of corruption. This is a distraction to gain populist support.



Like you say if they had any true interest in 'property rights' a large percentage of Israel would be returned to Palestinians. It's an excuse for annexing Jerusalem long term.
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The turks may want some land back as well :)
 
VincentHanna said:
100 dead in Gaza now and 600 injured.
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That's sad as children and civilians will have inevitably been caught up in that and probably quite intentionally on the part of Hamas... For the Hamas militants who have been killed (and were the targets here) the phrase **** around and find out springs to mind.
 
dowie said:
That's sad as children and civilians will have inevitably been caught up in that and probably quite intentionally on the part of Hamas... For the Hamas militants who have been killed (and were the targets here) the phrase **** around and find out springs to mind.
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I wonder what the acceptable level of civilian Palastinian causalities are for the Israeli military. Probably infinite.
 
A bit more detailed on the deaths:
At least 119 have been killed in Gaza, including 31 children and 19 women, and 830 others wounded in the current hostilities, Palestinian medical officials said.
The death toll in Israel stood at eight: a soldier patrolling the Gaza border, six Israeli civilians — including a an elderly woman who fell on the way to a shelter on Friday and two children — and an Indian worker, Israeli authorities said.
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dowie said:
probably quite intentionally on the part of Hamas
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For realisies?
 
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