The anti Israel = anti semitism agenda

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Lysander said:
I wonder what the acceptable level of civilian Palastinian causalities are for the Israeli military. Probably infinite.
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It's like me going up to a dozen fully armed army recruits and stabbing one of them, they'd beat me to a pulp and I'd probably wouldn't survive. It's obvious that this is what Hamas wanted, they wanted pictures of dead children everywhere, and the scariest thing is they have rationalized this in their heads as they'll go straight to heaven because they're martyrs. It's pretty sick to be honest.

On the other hand, Israel has gone way too far and has been too heavy handed now and shouldn't have taken the bait.
 
You think the obvious fact is that hamas want their own children dead? Not that they wish to liberate Palestine.

Hamas, as its name (Islamic Resistance Movement) implies, aims to liberate Palestine from the Israeli occupation, and transform the country into an Islamic state.
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Le Clandestin Brun said:
You think the obvious fact is that hamas want their own children dead? Not that they wish to liberate Palestine.
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They will do it at any cost, none is too great for them, yes they want pictures of dead children beamed around the world because it helps their cause and gets people on their side. As with all religious extremism, they have rationalized this in their heads as they'll go straight to heaven because they're martyrs, so they don't think of the misery they're causing.

There's no logical explanation why they're practically throwing stones at the Israelis, they fully know what happens when they do, this isn't new or different from before. Let's be fair here, the Israelis are to blame here as well to fall for such obvious bait.
 
Nasher said:
Thats why they use them as human shields. They put civilians around the high value targets so that when they get hit, they can bring in the press.
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One thing that I found from studying the conflict during my master's is how utterly despicable people can be. I was shocked at the total absence of morals from both sides. It's been absolute savagery for decades.
 
Nasher said:
Thats why they use them as human shields. They put civilians around the high value targets so that when they get hit, they can bring in the press.
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I feel like I've heard that said before, but it's no excuse for the Israelis to kill civilians. If terrorists are using civilians as "human shields" then you can't just bomb a building unfortunately, Israel is a nation state and needs to adhere to the Geneva convention
 
Roar87 said:
I feel like I've heard that said before, but it's no excuse for the Israelis to kill civilians. If terrorists are using civilians as "human shields" then you can't just bomb a building unfortunately, Israel is a nation state and needs to adhere to the Geneva convention
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You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here disagreeing with that. We're just pointing out what Hamas is doing because many on social media are giving them a free pass, which is what they want.
 
robgmun said:
You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here disagreeing with that. We're just pointing out what Hamas is doing because many on social media are giving them a free pass, which is what they want.
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I don't give Hamas a pass but they didn't do anything until:

A) Israel anexed a Palestinian neighbourhood
B) Israel shot up one of the most holiest Islamic mosques with rubber bullets where Palestinians were praying on the holiest night of the year. Without checking I believe 10-20 people were killed with 100s being severely injured.
 
robgmun said:
You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here disagreeing with that. We're just pointing out what Hamas is doing because many on social media are giving them a free pass, which is what they want.
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That's all very well, but it doesn't seem like you acknowledge that this is a form of self-defense from Palestine. Yes they do it knowing there will be retaliation, but it's more of a cry for help than a deliberate provocation.
 
This is like the big brother beating up your little sister Palestininas have no fire power or Army to deal with the scale of Israel, Israel can walk in as they please its rather a one sided fight.

I know Hamas fired all the rockets etc but 7 Israelis dead I believe currently for nearly over 100 in return is that a justified response?
 
Roar87 said:
I feel like I've heard that said before, but it's no excuse for the Israelis to kill civilians. If terrorists are using civilians as "human shields" then you can't just bomb a building unfortunately, Israel is a nation state and needs to adhere to the Geneva convention
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So if you want start a war all you have to do is have civilians stand next to your soldiers etc as you are now immune from retaliation and can do whatever you want in return, right?
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
You think the obvious fact is that hamas want their own children dead? Not that they wish to liberate Palestine.
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Those things aren't mutually exclusive!

That Hamas has previously made use of children as suicide bombers makes it clear they're content with having some child casualties here, the locations of their rocket launches and knowing what the obvious reaction from Israel will be is also rather callous of them.

None of that necessarily negates their aim.
 
robgmun said:
There's no logical explanation why they're practically throwing stones at the Israelis, they fully know what happens when they do, this isn't new or different from before. Let's be fair here, the Israelis are to blame here as well to fall for such obvious bait.
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so if another country starts evicting UK people and sticking their own citizens in and slowly stealing more land, even bulldozing UK settlements we shouldn't fight back? okay bro.......


MIGHT makes RIGHT....
 
dowie said:
Those things aren't mutually exclusive!

That Hamas has previously made use of children as suicide bombers makes it clear they're content with having some child casualties here, the locations of their rocket launches and knowing what the obvious reaction from Israel will be is also rather callous of them.

None of that necessarily negates their aim.
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Phrasing is a key factor. My statement was in reply to "It's obvious that this is what Hamas wanted..."

I clarified what it is Hamas actually "want".
 
robgmun said:
They "WANT" the world to hate Jews, they'll pay any cost to get it, even if it means the life of their children
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pretty sure they want their land back... how many times did the UN almost spank israel now..... but it only takes one america to stop it happening.

the UN is broken

most people in this thread seem to have no actual understanding of what's happening and why.

do you own actual research and stop assuming israel is right, palestine is evil just because that's the PR israel and the USA have been pushing for decades.

israel has illegally occupied and stolen land it's a fact ask the UN or simply look it up.

despicable people, shamless all the sympathy they harvest for ww2.... then they do the exact same thing to another race of people because they are "inferior"

israel is a disgusting country gaza is essentially no different than the warsaw ghetto.

no one would have complained if the jews were launching rockets out of the warsaw ghetto into nazi territory would they?.... whys gaza different....
 
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Roar87 said:
I feel like I've heard that said before, but it's no excuse for the Israelis to kill civilians. If terrorists are using civilians as "human shields" then you can't just bomb a building unfortunately, Israel is a nation state and needs to adhere to the Geneva convention
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As I said in an earlier post, usually intelligence on the ground spots this kind of thing. The RAF won't blow up a building unless they are sure (or at least sure they are sure). And actually they rarely just target whole buildings, because you can't always be so sure. But they are much more careful than most.

But how much of that does the IDF have inside Palastinian? Probably not a lot as it would be hard for them to infiltrate. I can't see them wanting to blow up civilians on purpose. But they have probably decided to shoot through hostages so that Hamas can't stop them with this tactic.
 
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