Tories lost the 2019 election among working age adults

St Albans kicked out a Tory for a Lib Dem at last election. I'm sure local issues helped but as someone who had watched said MP in action sitting a few feet away when she neglected her job to go for a photo opp I think they DEFINITELY did the right thing.
 
LeMson said:
Well no, nobody refers to everyone who can vote, I'm just saying that for me, with my 1 vote, against the gap of 14k votes, I'm powerless
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we are all individually powerless but every vote is counted. consider your seat. if the national average of only 45% voted, there's 55% of that seat thinking it has no power and is therefore apathetic when the reality is they outweigh all the other voters who bothered
 
MikeTimbers said:
we are all individually powerless but every vote is counted. consider your seat. if the national average of only 45% voted, there's 55% of that seat thinking it has no power and is therefore apathetic when the reality is they outweigh all the other voters who bothered
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Never quite works out like that though. Take my local constituency.

Number of eligible voted 82,280

No of people who voted 57,703 (70.13%)

No of people who didnt vote: 24,577

Winner: 36,693

Majority: 27,210

Even if there was 100% voting turnout and every single person who currently didnt vote, had voted for the second place person, you still wouldnt have enough votes to overturn the current winner.

So where I live, unless you vote Tory, your vote is pretty meaningless and no point voting as 63.5% of the people who do vote, vote Tory.

Which comes as no surprise that the turnout is so high and the vote so large for the Tories since its the second highest average age constituency in the country.
 
I like to think of it this way:

* If you vote and your preference wins then your vote counts.
* If you vote abut you lose then your vote still counts because you are expressing a your own preference and it may encourage others to see hope and vote too.
* If you don't vote then you are agreeing that you are giving your vote to the winning "side". You are letting them use your vote.
 
cheesyboy said:
One of the sad things about it all, in option 1, is that there WAS a surge in youth vote, ignited by the student protests of a decade ago. Millenials forced the door, installed their guy (Corbyn), increased the youth turnout, substantially, for the first time in decades... And the whole movement was demonised by the press, much of the Labour party, and many supposedly 'centre-left' older people.

And now their efforts are being purged from Labour in the name of appealing to old people again. And the more it fails, and it's truly a failure, the more it's being used as a reason to move further away from youth.
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The only problem was that they chose a guy who had been round the block a few times with a lot of negatives in people's heads. Someone without all the baggage could have done better.

Someone with the flair of a young Blair or Macron but of a left wing persuasion. It rather made the point that if Corbyn was the best choice for the youth vote, where was everyone else?
 
Hagar said:
The only problem was that they chose a guy who had been round the block a few times with a lot of negatives in people's heads. Someone without all the baggage could have done better.

Someone with the flair of a young Blair or Macron but of a left wing persuasion. It rather made the point that if Corbyn was the best choice for the youth vote, where was everyone else?
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The point is most of the older generation voted against the interests of the youth and the future of the country (world). Not only voting for brexit but by continuing to vote for the Tories.
 
Tony Edwards said:
The point is most of the older generation voted against the interests of the youth and the future of the country (world). Not only voting for brexit but by continuing to vote for the Tories.
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And I am sure that Corbyn would have, could have voted for Brexit without the constraint. Perhaps he did.
 
Hagar said:
And I am sure that Corbyn would have, could have voted for Brexit without the constraint. Perhaps he did.
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I hardly think Boris is any improvement over Corbyn, especialy with all intentional nasty baggage of Boris and that was even before he got the power of the PM.

Boris really is a disgrace.
 
Hagar said:
It rather made the point that if Corbyn was the best choice for the youth vote, where was everyone else?
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It's not what you were getting at, but I think the question of other choices for the youth vote is kind of what I'm saying.

Corbyn was a massive youth movement. The 2017 election surge was incredible: Corbyn was miles behind before GE rules forced broadcasters into impartiality.

The 'threat' of millennials making a big political change has been seen off. Maybe Gen-Z can have their moment. But they'll need their own Corbyn to coalesce around, and there are few, if any, experienced candidates. Labour are forcing candidate selection to prevent any future Corbyns.
 
Wait, how do they know how young people voted? I thought it is a secret ballot? :confused:
 
It's said the UK population loves an underdog, so let's make the default position be that people who don't vote get their vote allocated to the party that came second nationally in the previous General Election. Would give some people more reason to go and actually vote, if they don't support Labour politicians/policies. ;)
 
cheesyboy said:
One of the sad things about it all, in option 1, is that there WAS a surge in youth vote, ignited by the student protests of a decade ago. Millenials forced the door, installed their guy (Corbyn), increased the youth turnout, substantially, for the first time in decades... And the whole movement was demonised by the press, much of the Labour party, and many supposedly 'centre-left' older people.

And now their efforts are being purged from Labour in the name of appealing to old people again. And the more it fails, and it's truly a failure, the more it's being used as a reason to move further away from youth.
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Did you miss the part where they suffered nearly the largest defeat in the history of the labour party?

The movement wasn't demonised, it just didn't stand up to scrutiny, that's not the same thing.

Oh, and that minor issue of illegal racism within the party...
 
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