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Really hoping the events of the past week or so signal the start of United becoming a well run and managed modern club. I won't believe it until I see it but I have some hope.
 
He’s certainly a charismatic, funny chap. I really hope it all starts to click into place and it’s a positive experience for him and the players start to pull their finger out.
 
doodah said:
Lol just checked the squad, swore Mata had left :cry::o.
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United is like the Hotel California at times.

I wonder what Carricks plans are going forwards now. The more I hang around with football fans the more all the bizarre opinions on here make sense. There were a not insignificant number of people on Redcafe suggesting that Carrick has shown that he is well suited to management and there would be some Championship teams who should be looking to appoint him after 3 games in charge of a team. Sometimes I think the world has gone mad over the past few years. What happened to people doing apprenticeships in whatever field they want to excel in. Many of the top managers at the moment spent years learning from other top managers or at least spent years cutting their teeth at a slightly lower level.

The recent adventures of Lampard and Ole should tell you that parachuting managers into positions they haven't earned is a recipe for disaster. Arteta spent 3 years coaching under Pep and was then given a massive job at Arsenal which he is not exactly showing much aptitude for.

There are always outliers in every field. People who don't need the normal timeframes to become world class but those people are usually sticking out like sore thumbs vs their peers and expecting someone to come good just because you want them to is crazy.
 
fez said:
United is like the Hotel California at times.

I wonder what Carricks plans are going forwards now. The more I hang around with football fans the more all the bizarre opinions on here make sense. There were a not insignificant number of people on Redcafe suggesting that Carrick has shown that he is well suited to management and there would be some Championship teams who should be looking to appoint him after 3 games in charge of a team. Sometimes I think the world has gone mad over the past few years. What happened to people doing apprenticeships in whatever field they want to excel in. Many of the top managers at the moment spent years learning from other top managers or at least spent years cutting their teeth at a slightly lower level.

The recent adventures of Lampard and Ole should tell you that parachuting managers into positions they haven't earned is a recipe for disaster. Arteta spent 3 years coaching under Pep and was then given a massive job at Arsenal which he is not exactly showing much aptitude for.

There are always outliers in every field. People who don't need the normal timeframes to become world class but those people are usually sticking out like sore thumbs vs their peers and expecting someone to come good just because you want them to is crazy.
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Ole had been in management for 8 years before taking the United job although managing a team in the Norwegian top tier isn't even Championship level. I think because Guardiola and Zidane managed it is what started this all off. Ole's unbeaten run when he took over just magnified it with Lampard, Arteta and Gerrard all getting big jobs off the back of that.

None of them are as good as someone like Potter who has done it the right way.
 
adam cool dude said:
Ole had been in management for 8 years before taking the United job although managing a team in the Norwegian top tier isn't even Championship level. I think because Guardiola and Zidane managed it is what started this all off. Ole's unbeaten run when he took over just magnified it with Lampard, Arteta and Gerrard all getting big jobs off the back of that.

None of them are as good as someone like Potter who has done it the right way.
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Yeah, its just a strange view to take on managers (the idea that time in a career makes you good at it or that some complete outliers prove anything but that they are outliers).

I would still argue that the verdict on Zidane is massively out as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he knows that he has lucked out massively with the RM job and is taking time off to try and bring his general management skills up to scratch. I am probably completely wrong however.

It happens in plenty of companies though. If you have a good enough team, staff and structure, you can put someone in charge at a high level who doesn't have masses of experience if you are not asking them to rock the boat, make massive changes or turn a companies fortunes around. RM had a very settled squad with a strong identity and players who knew what they were doing and were highly motivated. Zidanes job was very limited in what he had to do and it was very limited in the changes he needed to make. He did a fantastic job but if I was looking for a manager to take over a dysfunctional team like United he would be so low on my list compared to many other managers simply because he hasn't shown any hint of that being something he can do.

I also know from personal experience that time in a job does not equal competency at a job. I worked for probably a decade at a really easy company, worked from home, basically dossed about and learned very little. There will have been people who were better at my job after 1 year than I was after 10.
 
First member of staff joining under Rangnick is ex New York Red Bulls head coach Chris Armas. Interesting. Yet to be made official but sounding like it's done.

Ted Lasso vibes :p
 
Sascha Lense also joining, a sports psychologist.

Some talk that Jesse Marsch might join too (recently sacked RB Leipzig manager), although I'd be surprised with that one.
 
Robbo said:
Sascha Lense also joining, a sports psychologist.

Some talk that Jesse Marsch might join too (recently sacked RB Leipzig manager), although I'd be surprised with that one.
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Assembling a dream team. Just going to get someone for every role. Defensive coach, transition coach, sleep coach, Pogba hairdresser.
 
Robbo said:
Sascha Lense also joining, a sports psychologist.

Some talk that Jesse Marsch might join too (recently sacked RB Leipzig manager), although I'd be surprised with that one.
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He will replace Carrick rumours of a done deal
Jesse marsch that is
 
Ralf not wasting time:
75-year-old mentor Helmut Groß has come out of retirement to join Ralf Rangnick at Manchester United. Groß is the man who helped Rangnick develop his football philosophy when they worked together in the youth system at Stuttgart 30 years ago.
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The Running Man said:
Cronyism at its finest!

Pick the best? No pick a 75 year old retiree who knew something 30 years ago for a final payday.
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You've yet to offer your opinion on anything aside from complaining.

Regardless, apparently The Mirror jumped the gun and he lives in the UK anyway and is just doing some light consulting where appropriate.
 
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