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dLockers said:
It isn't my opinion, I know that because propaganda is a well defined term. People are susceptible to misinformation and too busy/incapable to decipher for themselves.

The thing about these platforms is you end up being recommended more and more of the same to the point you say things like 'everyone is saying.....x y z".
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What platforms? Where do you think I'm getting my information from?
 
jpaul said:
the earth is flat - it really is.

look at the damage the vaccine message on pregnant birth-givers(mums) caused - vaccines had been untested inititially and the alarm that raised meant when the message was updated with data, plus evidence of misscarriages if unvaccinated you caught covid, well, that update message was drowned out.
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At the end of the day, people have the right to make their own choices. It doesn't even sound like you're talking about spreading of misinformation - just people making potentially the wrong choice based on the information at hand, as they're entitled to. I'd rather live in a world that allows that than one where there is only one permitted source of information.
 
dLockers said:
It is when these low IQ people start burning 5G masts down and vandalising vacinnation centres.
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Yeah I can barely get a vaccine or phone signal from how widespread that was :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

dLockers said:
That's the problem, you aren't capable of choosing who to listen to and consider as fact.
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Hey man welcome to being a Fascist Dictator, this ends with the people opposite you willing to fight and die for their freedom just so you know
 
Roar87 said:
Hey man welcome to being a Fascist Dictator, this ends with the people opposite you willing to fight and die for their freedom just so you know
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Why are you surprised? There's a reason all those 1984 and Nazi book burning memes about the left exist.
 
C Kent said:
Why are you surprised? There's a reason all those 1984 and Nazi book burning memes about the left exist.
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They don't seem to get it, you can't forcibly silence people's views and expect them to just go away, they're still sat around wondering why Trump and Brexit happened though
 
R.P.L said:
Absolutely true, but the whole 'war on misinformation' has a very political, rather than scientific, feel to it. I spoke to some of my family members a few months into the pandemic about how science isn't some magical entity that instantly knows everything, but that's how it was being portrayed and most of the general public don't know any better. Good science takes time to reach the right conclusions, and shutting down dissenting voices in the name of science when the correct scientific conclusion is far from clear is the opposite of what science should stand for. I don't mind the authorities giving advice based on what they know now either, but don't turn into a tyrant over it.
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Exactly, something some of the "follow the science" crew don't seem to grasp... The whole waiting for the evidence thing seems rather dumb when it comes to pandemics - it's "naive empiricism", you don't wait in the face of exponential growth, you need to act quickly based on incomplete information. This is why you saw people kicking off at the notion of extending the duration of the second dose of vaccine... "but but the trial was 4 weeks", it was a decision that was likely correct but based on incomplete information and fortunately we did act there and then later the evidence showed it was indeed the correct thing to have done.

Sadly though we delayed lockdowns in the UK because we were waiting for the right time to implement them and before that, we seemed to even briefly flirt with foregoing them and letting it spread/going for herd immunity via natural infections.

We didn't implement masking, not even basic cloth masks, because there wasn't sufficient evidence (at least according to mainstream views in the west) that masks work. Some people took this a step further and made flawed arguments that turned into actual claims that there wasn't just a lack of evidence but that masks don't work. There was a very naive GP who appeared on one of the morning talk shows and proceeded to shoot down the idea of travel restrictions, masks etc.. when a former model accurately cited the approaches some Asian countries were taking.

But did we really need random controlled trials to show that masks work... seems rather silly, likewise you don't need them to know air filters would be useful - those things are in the engineering domain. Some observational studies of the impact of these things sure but in terms of taking action, nope...

Lots of decisions re: the pandemic ultimately become political ones too, there isn't necessarily a "the science" answer to various policy questions but rather there are tradeoffs and positives/negatives to various approaches.
 
dLockers said:
but that disagreement should also be published and open for peer review and debate.
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One minute you say we should censor them but then you come and say this. You really need to make your mind up and stop flip flopping like a fish out of water. How can people disagree if we censor them.

Screeeech said:
when I can just do what the NHS and my GP say I should do?
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Something tells me you don't know about Opiod Crisis that hit America.

Colonel_Klinck said:
The anti vax movement before covid was a fringe movement, a growing fringe movement but its exploded and gone mainstream during covid
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I guess if you expand the definition of "anti-vax" and turn it into a playground insult, I could see why you would believe that.
 
Roar87 said:
They don't seem to get it, you can't forcibly silence people's views and expect them to just go away, they're still sat around wondering why Trump and Brexit happened though
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You can do that if you have enough power. Which is what they're working towards. Most notoriously at the moment, the regimes in North Korea and China are doing it. Other regimes are doing it in other places. Other regimes have done it in the past. Sometimes they fall to a revolution after a while, but not always. What is always true is that they're terrible for everyone apart from the regime's ruling elite and their favoured lackeys (who might lose that favour at any time).
 
C Kent said:
Why are you surprised? There's a reason all those 1984 and Nazi book burning memes about the left exist.
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Yeah those leftists burning books in the US.... oh wait I meant the right

Roar87 said:
They don't seem to get it, you can't forcibly silence people's views and expect them to just go away, they're still sat around wondering why Trump and Brexit happened though
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These are Trump people burning books

 
Chuk_Chuk said:
This has just reminded me of the Pfizer sponsorships


Edit: direct link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7kg7qBFDo
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Welcome to America. Money is everything and shows are styled to maximise viewers for their sponsors and advertisers.

What I find far more repulsive is companies donating money to political campaigns and lobbying law makers. Ban those and you'll do far more to clean up politics.
 
i-bert said:
This the problem. Where you see Trump supporters, I see religious nuts.

Do you blame Corbyn because the Manchester arena bomber voted Labour?

They're burning books because they're about vampires and Magic :cry:
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They are banning books in schools about the holocaust amongst others. This is politically driven and it isn't the left doing it.


Roar87 said:
Well actually it's some weird religious guy who's being described as "Pro-Trump", you know, just to add Trumps name in there for click bait
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Same answer.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
They are banning books in schools about the holocaust amongst others. This is politically driven and it isn't the left doing it.




Same answer.
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Come on they're burning books about witchcraft. How is this politically driven?

And the school board are claiming banning Maus is because of profanity and nudity.

Where is the politics? And WTF has it got to do with Trump?
 
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