Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Dis86 said:
They do, but that wasn't necessarily what they planned on. I mean we're literally seeing some of the oldest serviceable units in the Russian forces. We're not seeing any of their new stuff that we know they have. Why?
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Most likely stock volume.

Larov: Boss! they've blowing up the 40 year old tanks!
Putin: Send in the T-14 Armatas!
Larov: What? BOTH of them!?!
 
Sky News:
Russia is ready to 'work closely' for resolution of 'Ukrainian problem' - Kremlin

So evil Putin what was this all for? If anything it's made you the worst country for years to come.

Putin should pay for this.
 
ubersonic said:
Just seen this.


Now I could very well be wrong here, but I know a bit about tanks, and I believe that is either a T-72B or the export T-72S variant, this is important for three reasons:

  1. Because this is a tank from the 1980s that does not look to have been retrofitted with any improvements (that 40 year old ERA design has no chance versus modern anti-tank weapons).
  2. Because this tank is inferior to every tank Ukraine has in service.
  3. Because Russia knew point 1 and 2 but sent it anyway.

I'm aghast at how badly Russia is conducting this invasion, don't get me wrong I'm not unhappy they're doing badly I'm just surprised by it. It's like they sent their junk so they didn't have to risk losing the good stuff and it turns out the junk isn't good enough.
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Do they have good stuff? Or do they have a few show pieces but the actual majority of stuff they’ve got that is useable is what’s been posted? (I don’t know anything about standing army’s)
 
dowie said:
Might well be but I think the gist of it is correct, this is very expensive both in terms of finances but also in terms of equipment and lives - we're only 2 days in and Russia has lost several hundred armoured vehicles a few thousand soldiers and several aircraft (including two transport planes full of paratroopers) if Ukraine carries on with that sort of resistance then that sort of attrition is going to be very difficult for Russia.

It's a big country and logistics are going to become rathe more difficult.
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During WW2, I think it was mentioned the allies considered anything above 5% as problematic in terms of losses and 10% as completely unsustainable. But bear in mind this is back when they could manufacture new equipment to replace losses, so the % is inflated.

This cold war era equipment Russia are using that is no longer manufactured, if its lost then it is gone.

So if they are losing 1% a day I think they could take that for a month as an absolute maximum limit but more likely 1-2 weeks.
 
shankly1985 said:
Sky News:
Russia is ready to 'work closely' for resolution of 'Ukrainian problem' - Kremlin

So evil Putin what was this all for? If anything it's made you the worst country for years to come.

Putin should pay for this.
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Need to remove their forces from Ukraine before trying to negotiate. Pointing a gun and asking to negotiate is not going to get anywhere.
 
adam cool dude said:
That is less than 1% of what he has available.
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Maybe so but he shouldn't be suffering such losses, they're all mainly due to strategic mistakes, Russia don't seem to be running any sort of air patrols and they're incapable of surgical strikes on Ukraines air defences, it's utterly insane they will fly troop transports alone to their targets when 50% of the Ukraine air defenses are still operational. They're sending armoured units in Urban areas with little infantry support, it seems there's a massive issue that there's one plan that everyone must stick to, that has specific limitations when it comes artillery and bombardments and if it doesn't work there's no plan B or C and they're just trying to brute force their way through.

Likewise there's issues of logistics with fuel & food, there seems to be no supply line or security for a supply line, you don't need to be an arm chair general to know these are basic military essentials, this isn't a last push of units in order to try & capture supplies because the enemy has decimated your supplies back home ala Battle of the Bulge, there should be zero reason they are running out of fuel & food.

No matter how this ends this is an utter embarrasment for the Russian armed forces and will be analysed for years on a "how not to" conduct a military operation
 
Dis86 said:
They do, but that wasn't necessarily what they planned on. I mean we're literally seeing some of the oldest serviceable units in the Russian forces. We're not seeing any of their new stuff that we know they have. Why?
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They have very very few ' new stuff' they can't afford any of it!
However they have sent lots of advanced attack helicopters in, but still...stingers make short work of them
 
alchal said:
They have very very few ' new stuff' they can't afford any of it!
However they have sent lots of advanced attack helicopters in, but still...stingers make short work of them
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The only heli's I've seen/seen reported go down are transports.
 
Dis86 said:
They do, but that wasn't necessarily what they planned on. I mean we're literally seeing some of the oldest serviceable units in the Russian forces. We're not seeing any of their new stuff that we know they have. Why?
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They don't have it... or at least not much of it. If they need to send in 100k+ troops they're reliant on lots of older equipment too.
 
Minusorange said:
Maybe so but he shouldn't be suffering such losses, they're all mainly due to strategic mistakes, Russia don't seem to be running any sort of air patrols and they're incapable of surgical strikes on Ukraines air defences, it's utterly insane they will fly troop transports alone to their targets when 50% of the Ukraine air defenses are still operational. They're sending armoured units in Urban areas with little infantry support, it seems there's a massive issue that there's one plan that everyone must stick to, that has specific limitations when it comes artillery and bombardments and if it doesn't work there's no plan B or C and they're just trying to brute force their way through.

Likewise there's issues of logistics with fuel & food, there seems to be no supply line or security for a supply line, you don't need to be an arm chair general to know these are basic military essentials, this isn't a last push of units in order to try & capture supplies because the enemy has decimated your supplies back home ala Battle of the Bulge, there should be zero reason they are running out of fuel & food.

No matter how this ends this is an utter embarrasment for the Russian armed forces and will be analysed for years on a "how not to" conduct a military operation
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It makes sense if they actually believed the population would welcome them. There seems to be a very large intel failure here, and of course now it's too late, they're commited.
 
dowie said:
Some perspective on Russian losses in just 2 days vs 10 years they spent in Afghanistan in the 80s:

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Some more perspective to add, a lot of the equipment they have lost recently in Ukraine is stuff that was either current or already old during their Afghan war in the 80s. I.E that wrecked tank I showed earlier is a model that had been superseded by the end of the 80's.
 
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