Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Hotwired]

So looks like Ukraine wants EU membership is that the same as being part of NATO?

People have been banging on about it as if NATO or the EU wants to have (more) dodgy countries in the group.

For all the bad stuff happening to Ukraine I'm pretty sure it still doesn't meet the requirements and neither NATO nor the EU run on public emotion.

Turkey has been banging on the EU door for quite some time now and it's still too dodgy to let in.

 

[Robert]

LOL why am I not surprised you like a guy who says this kind of non sense?

Hedges begins, measured as always:

"The gravest threat we face from terrorism, as the killings in Norway by Anders Behring Breivik underscore, comes not from the Islamic world but the radical Christian right and the secular fundamentalists who propagate the bigoted, hateful caricatures of observant Muslims and those defined as our internal enemies. The caricature and fear are spread as diligently by the Christian right as they are by atheists such as Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. Our religious and secular fundamentalists all peddle the same racist filth and intolerance that infected Breivik. This filth has poisoned and degraded our civil discourse. The looming economic and environmental collapse will provide sparks and tinder to transform this coarse language of fundamentalist hatred into, I fear, the murderous rampages experienced by Norway. I worry more about the Anders Breiviks than the Mohammed Attas"

Is it nonsense?

 

[delta0]

So looks like Ukraine wants EU membership is that the same as being part of NATO?

No. Finland for example is not in NATO

 

[StriderX]

People have been banging on about it as if NATO or the EU wants to have (more) dodgy countries in the group.

For all the bad stuff happening to Ukraine I'm pretty sure it still doesn't meet the requirements and neither NATO nor the EU run on public emotion.

The EU definitely does run on public emotion.

 

[delta0]

Where is the data coming from?

Track the latest updates here https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs

 

[Doobedoo]

LOL why am I not surprised you like a guy who says this kind of non sense?

He has the credentials to speak on such things. Yours are?

In 2001, Hedges contributed to The New York Times staff entry that received the 2002 Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting for the paper's coverage of global terrorism. He also received the Amnesty International Global Award for Human Rights Journalism in 2002.[2]Hedges left the Times in 2005 after an internal dispute over his public opposition to the Iraq War.

 

[Lysander]

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Nuclear threat was pure posturing, negotiations are underway and the rouble hasn't fallen that drastically.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Mr Jack]

I think we may be getting a bit over confident that the underdog is 1-0 up after 10 mins, if Russia decide to revert to usual tactics and decide to flatten the opposition with bombardment, Ukraine cities will probably fall quite quickly.

The First Chechen War lasted a year and 8 months. Chechnya has a population less than half that of Kyiv alone, and a land area 1/35th that of Ukraine. During that war, Russia carpet bombed Grozny into ruined skeleton of a city. It did not bring a swift victory.

I think you're right that Ukraine's early successes won't count for much if Russia starts throwing its full might at it, but the idea that Ukraine will fall quickly doesn't stand up. The only way countries fall quickly is if the leadership of the country surrenders and the military follow that surrender. That does not seem to be on the cards. If Russia's plan here was a rapid strike with a goal of replacing the leadership of the country then it has failed, and seems to no longer on the cards, so what happens next? Russia's economy is already in the sewer, can they really support a multi-year conflict: "no" seems like the likely answer.

 

[NickK]

Yep. If no one at all can temper him. It's a roulette wheel.

I think he has his playbook and is continuing down the plan. I think the issue is the delays may cause people that implement those plans to have doubts and then the party leadership will have doubts internally. Final step would be that they have a meeting suggesting that Putin has done enough for mother russia, that they will give him medals and that mother russia will now look after him in his retirement.

Only thing is I suspect that Putin isn't a retiring type. His reports don't seem to be a retiring type either - dying on the job or being placed into retirement to make way for someone that will.

 

[Slam62]

We do have to tread somewhat carefully though when that bully has the means to destroy civilisation

Well he has had that capability for the whole of my lifetime, bit late to start giving a **** now.

Plus all this other stuff about that scientist from the European nuke research centre who sold 'how to make a nuclear weapon for dummies ' to just about anyone.

It's all classic media fud,. If he does he does worrying won't help.

Soon we'll all be able to get back to panicking about global warming.

 

[Amnesia]

Well that's the only rational explanation, obviously I've got no clue really, but to stop a convoy like that wouldn't take a lot and its not exactly secret. Every other big scary attack has turned out to four fifths of sweet fa.

The only reason Ukraine have done so well is because they are entrenched in the city amongst the civilian population, Putin so far has behaved himself and not bombarded the city. If the Ukrainian forces come out of their defensive positions out in the open to stop any Russian forces from entering Ukraine they lose that massive advantage.
What the Ukrainians are doing is the best thing they can do given the current situation.

 

[delta0]

The First Chechen War lasted a year and 8 months. Chechnya has a population less than half that of Kyiv alone, and a land area 1/35th that of Ukraine. During that war, Russia carpet bombed Grozny into ruined skeleton of a city. It did not bring a swift victory.

I think you're right that Ukraine's early successes won't count for much if Russia starts throwing its full might at it, but the idea that Ukraine will fall quickly doesn't stand up. The only way countries fall quickly is if the leadership of the country surrenders and the military follow that surrender. That does not seem to be on the cards. If Russia's plan here was a rapid strike with a goal of replacing the leadership of the country then it has failed, and seems to no longer on the cards, so what happens next? Russia's economy is already in the sewer, can they really support a multi-year conflict: "no" seems like the likely answer.

The rate of attrition in Ukraine Russia won’t have much left to throw at them in 6 months.

 

[dpbadger]

It’s not about that you are putting them in harms way. They are not trained in warfare they have balls but no experience. They will get hurt but it does make a good story.

Nearly all Ukrainians will have done some National service or training since Russia invaded the Crimea years ago. So it isn't like just handing them out to every Tom, Dick or Harry who wants one. They will be attached to regular military or police units who can guide them in what to do.

 

[Slam62]

Does that include Israel because Palestinians are still waiting to get there land back.

Hey listen yes it does but Hamas haven't helped themselves anyway that's another discussion.

Don't forget I only have opinions and have been known to be wrong.

 

[Freddie1980]

WWE now removing Nikolai Volkoff from hall of fame.

lol some made up character played by a Canadian/Croatian immigrant? Vince really has lost the plot.

 

[the wopster]

No. Finland for example is not in NATO

For now, that could change very soon

 

[delta0]

For now, that could change very soon

Yes definitely. All countries that are afraid of Russia will be desperate to join now.

 

[Freakbro]

The First Chechen War lasted a year and 8 months. Chechnya has a population less than half that of Kyiv alone, and a land area 1/35th that of Ukraine. During that war, Russia carpet bombed Grozny into ruined skeleton of a city. It did not bring a swift victory.

I think you're right that Ukraine's early successes won't count for much if Russia starts throwing its full might at it, but the idea that Ukraine will fall quickly doesn't stand up. The only way countries fall quickly is if the leadership of the country surrenders and the military follow that surrender. That does not seem to be on the cards. If Russia's plan here was a rapid strike with a goal of replacing the leadership of the country then it has failed, and seems to no longer on the cards, so what happens next? Russia's economy is already in the sewer, can they really support a multi-year conflict: "no" seems like the likely answer.

Oh agreed, I didn't mean to equate the fall of some of the cities to the complete fall of Ukraine, as I expect it would turn into a protracted proxy guerilla war.

And in regards to the economy in the sewer, this "2 year war chest" Putin had supposedly built up to counter sanctions doesn't seem to have created a lot of internal economic confidence does it!

 

[Johno please?]

Is it nonsense?

Killings from Islamic extremists far outweighs every single other group, so yes?

Even just talking Europe, we've had dozens if not hundreds of Islamic terror attacks in the last decade compared to a few from the far right.

 

[Doobedoo]

Hey listen yes it does but Hamas haven't helped themselves anyway that's another discussion.

Don't forget I only have opinions and have been known to be wrong.

No that’s fine I’m wrong on most occasions .
Not the same level of outrage though that would change if it was Russia, China or the others though wouldn’t it?