Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Jono8 said:
Putin is looking so weak right now.

Just a secluded paranoid old little bald man, with outdated views, who has seemingly gaslight himself into believing his own propaganda and rubbish.

Compare that to Zelensky who is comparatively young, honourable, and out there in combat gear fighting with his fellow countrymen to repel the Russian attack..

It feels like Putin's only support in the whole world is maybe what, half of Russia?
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Sadly he still seems to be also supported by his inner circle and top bods. They’re the ones we need to turn. If they do, it’s all over bar the shouting
 
bris said:
Hopefully they will get the same fate as the Russion convoys littering the Ukrain countryside.

Is the west putting the same sanction on belarus? I havent heard any news of that.
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The shadow PM declared herself as PM the other day so they have their own mess now :cry:
 
Thinking a roundabout way to solve the issue if motives and goals are accurate as reported.

Ukraine doesn't want to cede it's territory which is understandable, and Russia has its motives for invasion (Donetsk, Luhansk and fear of NATO on its border particularly Ukraine). With Russia wanting Uktaine to commit to military neutrality here and no NATO. - no party will get everything they want but as close as possible to it.

Why don't we then look at that as a solution in the context as the war has already played out?

- To solve the issue Ukraine offer no NATO membership, military neutrality, Donetsk and Luhansk (Crimea unlikely to be resolved this round) can continue as autonomous regions of Ukraine. Russia end of hostilities and feasibly get what they want in that regard.

= Both Ukraine and Russia get their out and 'wins', even if only in name.

The twist here, and in lieu of NATO membership, we have already seen the support non- NATO membership has aided Ukraine in this war (in all but name Ukraine have been aided almost to the extent of NATO membership bar boots on the ground) we extend EU membership to Ukraine and (with or without - Donetsk/Luhansk regions). Meaning Ukraine would meet its obligations, Russia got its 'win' and the advantages and potential prosperity of democracy, the west actually moves even closer to the Russian border. Like how the EU and principles of the West have taken years to spread their benefits eastward, it may take another decade or so but the advantages of such when it is just over the border will be harder to ignore from those autonomous Ukraine regions and Russia itself (as sanctions continue to bite too). This war of attrition doesn't need to be won militarily but politically, economically and socially.

TLDR; give Russia what it wants re: NATO/Ukraine situation and then admit Ukraine into EU after. (Ukraine having already been supported to degree of NATO aid this far sets precedent for future almost negating NATO requirment).
 
robfosters said:
Sadly he still seems to be also supported by his inner circle and top bods. They’re the ones we need to turn. If they do, it’s all over bar the shouting
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Publicly maybe, but privately? I think they've never really like him, but he was generally good for the economy and keeping their wealth safe, kind of awkward now.

The elite don't want to join him being pariahs as they still enjoy the West's luxury, that is very much at risk now as the public become belligerent about Russia in general.
 
StuBob said:
- To solve the issue Ukraine offer no NATO membership, military neutrality, Donetsk and Luhansk (Crimea unlikely to be resolved this round) can continue as autonomous regions of Ukraine. Russia end of hostilities and feasibly get what they want in that regard.
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So your solution is to give Russia everything that they have been asking for? The reason they invaded is that the west and Ukraine refused to implement Minsk agreement which would achieve everything you listed.
 
Russia can't win but we all Could lose.

If anything good can come out of this maybe enough Russians will have enough of this cold ware ussr type of leadership and Russia can itself get rid of putin.

Unfortunately I guess the whole political system would have to be overturned.

This is absolutely a loss for Russia. Even if they militarily take Ukraine they aren't going to hold it.
 
Nerusy said:
So your solution is to give Russia everything that they have been asking for? The reason they invaded is that the west and Ukraine refused to implement Minsk agreement which would achieve everything you listed.
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Did you read the whole post? Membership of NATO, Ukraine would be in it in all but name as we are currently seeing. It is an 'out'for Russia more than anything in the current context as no way can Ukraine be expected to the higher goal of demilitarilisation given what has happened this past week, understandably so.
 
The whole global security got killed off. We are in a new age from now. Japan wants to militarise and get nukes now. Germany is increasing militarisation. Every nation
chrismscotland said:
To be fair most observers, etc are adamant that she won the election last year and not Lukashenko; although I believe she's exiled in Lithuania currently
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There were western observers during that election? I am pretty sure observers were only from Russia-aligned countries and I doubt they would confirm that.
 
Nerusy said:
So your solution is to give Russia everything that they have been asking for? The reason they invaded is that the west and Ukraine refused to implement Minsk agreement which would achieve everything you listed.
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Oh come on, you can't still believe that? This was more about having a "little Russia" that was pro-western and no longer in Russia's sphere of influence. Putin was looking for any excuse he could find here, that "problem" (as perceived by him/some other Russians) doesn't go away because of any Minsk agreeement.
 
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