Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Rilot]

I'm just curious, so the guys wanting to take this to the next level in regards to nuking or putting our forces against Russias, how many of you were the same people a couple of days ago believing that Russia was getting its arse kicked, the war was pretty much over and Russia was about to leave with its tail between its legs ?

i don’t think anyone said that Russia was about to leave. People questioned how long Russia could sustain the losses. Big difference.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Honestly the lack of backbone from a lot of our resident right wingers is quite funny. Makes you really wonder how they've ended up how they have!

 

[NickK]

To everyone who thinks 'kicking Putin's ass' is the correct solution.

Surely you must be aware that any attack on Russia or Russian forces only means escalation from Putin. If he escalates then everyone else has to. No one will back down and that's not going to end well when nukes are on the table and a madman is at the helm.

A question - do believe that there is only two outcomes? Win:Lose or Lose:Win? In reality the situation can go on indefinitely, countries will adapt - with the nuclear threat being there - as a standoff.

With a standoff - putin gets he's paralysis of the Russian economy to blame the west, putin sees the sanctions causing no export of food stuffs to Africa and China raising the stakes, Putin sees the lack of gas and oil to the west weakens them. Putin gets military budgeting easily through to return to the Cold War soviet era. Putin basks in his cronies writing of the history books and a mausaleum in a new Tsar square next to Lenin.

The point is a standoff means Putin gets his notoriety and knows how the cold-war world works (he is brought up in the KGB/FSB). Happy as Larry.

 

[Semple]

Its not going to stop without talks, not trying to talk is worse than talking and failing.

The west doesn't want a proxy war in the Ukraine as much as Russia does.

Running through the various scenario's how to close this off though.

1 - Russia Pull back (not likely)
2 - Putin displaced I have zero idea if this is even possible and Russia say sorry and the west gets all the re-build contracts (Russia wont pay for anything)
3 - Ukraine gets cut in half, other half becomes part of NATO & the EU and the people are allowed to move freely before the line is drawn
4 - China leans on Russia and mediates better terms just for them.

5 - Not worth thinking about.

I mentioned option 3 this morning - although not quite cut in half. Russia wanted to protect the Donbass region where a good number of "Pro-Russians" live, so if that was annexed and given to Russia along with pro-Russian citizens, and then the rest of Ukraine are free to join the EU/NATO etc with agreement on both sides not to have any retaliation.

 

[LOAM]

I wonder if all the people who are excited to be standing up Putin really understand what that actually entails, you may as well be cheering on the end of Humanity with glee, people are so stupid it's scary. The only thing we should be doing is finding a peaceful way to end this conflict and live in peace.

This all sounds like Chamberlains Munich Agreement with Hitler, how did that work out.
He's not interested in peace, he's interested in empire, just like Hitler was.

 

[Hagar]

I'm just curious, so the guys wanting to take this to the next level in regards to nuking or putting our forces against Russias, how many of you were the same people a couple of days ago believing that Russia was getting its arse kicked, the war was pretty much over and Russia was about to leave with its tail between its legs ?

Nobody wants to see nukes flying or only an idiot would. However the comparison with previous dictators intent on lebensraum is valid whether they are nuclear capable or not.

 

[Raymond Lin]

This all sounds like Chamberlains Munich Agreement with Hitler, how did that work out.
He's not interested in peace, he's interested in empire, just like Hitler was.

Autocrats/Dictators are all cut from the same cloth.

 

[Amnesia]

I don't think anyone is advocating for putting our forces against Russia right now are they?

I think boots on the ground has previously been mentioned thats why i put the or there to include anyone who may have.

 

[Merlin5]

I've been watching the UN General Assembly special meeting in New York. After an emotional speech by the Ukraine Ambassador, the Russian Ambassador came up saying there is so much fake news, that Russia aren't the aggressors and that Ukraine are for commiting genocide in the Donbas region. I don't know much about it but is there any truth at all to Russia's claims against Ukraine?

 

[Jono8]

If aggression is really the answer you want to accept, then you're condemning millions of innocent lives to die.

What?

 

[Firestar_3x]

Do we get to see a breakdown on who voted for what in the UN?

 

[_Jimlad_]

If nukes were not on the table I would be shouting boots on the ground go in and take him down. But sadly they are so options are limited

 

[arknor]

Do we get to see a breakdown on who voted for what in the UN?

yea they do a show of hands.

For , Against, Abstain

China, India and UAE have been abstaining with only Russia against in votes in the previous days.

out of the votes I watched anyway

 

[Deleted User 298457]

I've been watching the UN General Assembly special meeting in New York. After an emotional speech by the Ukraine Ambassador, the Russian Ambassador came up saying there is so much fake news, that Russia aren't the aggressors and that Ukraine are for commiting genocide in the Donbas region. I don't know much about it but is there any truth at all to Russia's claims against Ukraine?

Donbas has been at war for 8 years - pro-Russian rebels armed by Russia versus the Ukraine army. The killing of every rebel was incorrectly labelled as genocide to fit the political narrative that Putin needed.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Patel and Truss failing to read the room, which is no suprise. Our current lineup is full of the sub-par in talent terms.

Sub par is an understatement. Worst cabinet in my 51 years, there because of ideology and not talent.

 

[Raymond Lin]

The best outcome is hoping the Ukrainians to hold down, the longer this drags on, the more pressure there is on him from the inside. Hopefully, something or someone from within can kick him off the top.

Committing half your army long term to hold a country is not sustainable.

 

[bingham67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498269672017477633

Macron trying on the phone again for 90 minutes

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498323686495039489

 

[bloodiedathame]

A question - do believe that there is only two outcomes? Win:Lose or Lose:Win? In reality the situation can go on indefinitely, countries will adapt - with the nuclear threat being there - as a standoff.

With a standoff - putin gets he's paralysis of the Russian economy to blame the west, putin sees the sanctions causing no export of food stuffs to Africa and China raising the stakes, Putin sees the lack of gas and oil to the west weakens them. Putin gets military budgeting easily through to return to the Cold War soviet era. Putin basks in his cronies writing of the history books and a mausaleum in a new Tsar square next to Lenin.

The point is a standoff means Putin gets his notoriety and knows how the cold-war world works (he is brought up in the KGB/FSB). Happy as Larry.

There will be no winners or losers (other than the dead and arms dealers respectively).

What the world needs is Putin removed from power. His citizens, his military or his oligarchs are realistically the only ones who can achieve that. Change has to come from inside Russia.

 

[Participant]

Strange how the demands have changed over time, it went from Putin not wanting Ukraine to join NATO to let Putin have whatever he wants and now its let Putin do what ever he wants, maybe next it will be let Putin do who ever he wants

Are you volunteering to be first up?

 

[NickK]

I've been watching the UN General Assembly special meeting in New York. After an emotional speech by the Ukraine Ambassador, the Russian Ambassador came up saying there is so much fake news, that Russia aren't the aggressors and that Ukraine are for commiting genocide in the Donbas region. I don't know much about it but is there any truth at all to Russia's claims against Ukraine?

I checked the warcrimes site, there is a pending 2014 evaluation and review (Ukraine is marked yellow).

It seems the UN ambassador is also looking at this too: https://globalnews.ca/news/8650399/ukraine-united-nations-alleged-russian-war-crimes-probe/

Warcrimes doe not justify warcrimes.