Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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inogen said:
I think everyone should get used to the idea that this is going to go nuclear and temper their reactions accordingly.

Thinking it won't is just burying your heads in the sand. I'd say it's almost inevitable barring a collapse of the Ukrainian's will to fight or the (un)timely death of Putin.
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Provided we don't resort to direct conflict then it's incredibly unlikely in the short term.

In the future, who knows, but Russia is not in a position of strength and it may take decades before "he" can try something to Ukraine again.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
Has there been any serious discussion yet about evacuating everyone who can be out of Ukraine?

I now think this false hope that's been given to the Ukrainians, boosted by western encouragement, arms shipments etc, is just going to make everything 10x worse when Russia do eventually steamroll in & shoot everyone on the basis that "the innocent would have already left by now; only army and fighters left"
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Pretty sure it's a given that the majority of people never leave their country in war.
 
The American president Biden.... Seriously! Did he just say "uranian" people or "Iranian" people?

Then someone replied with this :cry:

 
inogen said:
Yeah, I think so too. At some point, Russia will nuke, or just conventionally flatten a small city or cities and the Ukraine govt will have no alternative but to surrender. Though I think now the fire is lit, that won't be the end of it. Resistance to whatever and whoever they put in charge will continue and international sanctions will eventually win out, toppling the regime in Russia. Either that or this really is the beginning of the big one. But in the short term, Ukraine is ****ed.

After that, it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same thing to small NATO country like Estonia or Moldova just to call NATO's bluff, maybe moving into somewhere like Moldova first.
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Yeah i don't think Ukraine will hang on if Russia starts going in heavier.

The world needs to continue with harsher sanctions etc, and ensure they remain for a long period. Russia essentially needs to be shunned, akin to a bully in the playground that no-one wants anything to do with.
 
The concern i have is that the last time putin said that they we're doing drills or tests resorting in them attacking Ukraine, the fact that the nuclear submarine is carrying our nuclear drills will the same thing happen. Putin has nothing to loose now. At what point will our government address the nation to be prepared?
 
past 2 days I have been seeing this 40km long column of tanks/supply trucks etc etc stuck on a road....any one understand why that has not been hit big time.......thoughts ?
 
Firestar_3x said:
Provided we don't resort to direct conflict then it's incredibly unlikely in the short term.

In the future, who knows, but Russia is not in a position of strength and it may take decades before "he" can try something to Ukraine again.
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These two statements are a dichotomy as far as I'm concerned. It's the lack of likely success in his conventional war that makes it far more likely Putin will nuke somewhere.

And just to make sure we're not talking about different things, I mean a small nuclear bomb on a single city, with a threat of a repeat if he doesn't get what he wants.
 
koolpc said:
Cant understand how that 40 mile convey is still moving? Thought it would have been attacked by now.
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I suspect Ukraine just don't have the military to send there, Ukraine is under heavy attack in several locations.
However they know the road they are on, I would suspect it is possible to calculate their route and as such I am surprised a group of civilians have not got in some trucks with some chainsaws and started to cut down trees as it can be seen that sections of the roads have trees next to them, so just go cut all the trees down and drag them across the road and go and park and leave trucks, vehicles blocking the way, it would slow the Russians down, now of course they might already be doing this as well closer to the capital outskirts.

It could be maybe that Russia has air patrols along the road so any civilians or military spotted attempting to block their path is potentially fired upon from the air or by artillery.

Unfortunately it is a horrible experience, I really feel for the people in Ukraine who are coming under attack, having to leave their homes and travel to other countries having no idea of what their future holds.
Just seems crazy to me, Russia is a huge country, were never under any threat and is a great powerful country full of a lot of very smart people and they could become a major power and influence in the world without the need to go to war or threaten nuclear response.

As time progresses you would think the world would learn from the past mistakes, but it just seems it is in our nature to destroy and kill, it is unfortunate that right now there is an extremely powerful man who seems to have lost it or has some crazy agenda at play. Ukraine is suffering and now Russian people are suffering, just so so sad really in this day and age. :(
 
inogen said:
These two statements are a dichotomy as far as I'm concerned. It's the lack of likely success in his conventional war that makes it far more likely Putin will nuke somewhere.

And just to make sure we're not talking about different things, I mean a small nuclear bomb on a single city, with a threat of a repeat if he doesn't get what he wants.
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Don't see it, if he did that 0 prospect would exist for relations to be rebuilt in the future and I think at that point even China would walk away.

He is going to escalate to de-escalate by saying and threatening a load of stuff, he wants to see the "USSR" triumphant, it is unable to do this if it fails to exist.
 
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dave1983 said:
The concern i have is that the last time putin said that they we're doing drills or tests resorting in them attacking Ukraine, the fact that the nuclear submarine is carrying our nuclear drills will the same thing happen. Putin has nothing to loose now. At what point will our government address the nation to be prepared?
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He has plenty to lose and so does his circle. Russian strategic doctrine is only to threaten/use nuclear weapons if they are losing to a superior foe, they cannot think of Ukraine as a superior foe and they know they'll eventually win the initial conflict.
 
I'm guessing that if Putin decides he's had enough and brings heavy artillery in to start flattening cities the Ukranians will fold pretty quickly. He doesn't need to be using any nukes.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Is there any evidence those have been used yet?
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They aren't anymore illegal than any other weapon america has used in the recent past

Propaganda is labelling them as "vacuum bombs" now to seek world outrage

The evidence they have been used seems to be an ammo dump exploding after it got bombed.

There's just as much tit for tat propaganda coming fro the Ukrainians but we are supposed to take everything they say as gospel, because they are the good guys
 
inogen said:
These two statements are a dichotomy as far as I'm concerned. It's the lack of likely success in his conventional war that makes it far more likely Putin will nuke somewhere.

And just to make sure we're not talking about different things, I mean a small nuclear bomb on a single city, with a threat of a repeat if he doesn't get what he wants.
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TBH I think a more likely escalation path will be some kind of demonstration of Status 6 or similar using a nuclear weapon off-shore just close enough to be threatening with potential for some loss of life/infrastructure damage but not close enough to be a direct nuclear attack. Intended to try and make the West back off. But very high risk move.
 
dave1983 said:
It seems that way with him now using thermobaric weapons, whilst they are not Nuclear i cannot see him backing down. The fact he's now bombing residential area's he has no care for Civilians.
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He doesn't care for his own people, why would he care about Ukrainians.
 
Caracus2k said:
We seize 'drugs barons' assets based on their actions not their nationality and the seizures (civil or criminal) are tested through the courts.

If you are blanket suggesting a whole group of people have become 'fair game' to have their rights violated, based on where they were born, you aren't a good person.

No doubt there's dirty money knocking about in the UK but we are also a country that attracts foreigners based on the strength of the rule of law here.
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We know which oligarchs have links to Putin and are laundering his dirty money (there are at least 35 of them as revealed by Layla Moran MP), it's not rocket science. Doing what I suggest will really hurt him and is not contrary to the law, the Tories should give up their dirty money bribes too.

Much tougher sanctions against Putin's associates are needed, but Johnson refuses to act in any meaningful way. I wonder why.
 
arknor said:
They aren't anymore illegal than any other weapon america has used in the recent past

Propaganda is labelling them as "vacuum bombs" now to seek world outrage

The evidence they have been used seems to be an ammo dump exploding after it got bombed
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Agreed, I was just interested to know if they'd been used or not. It would feel like somewhat of an escalation in terms of using an increased level of firepower.
 
inogen said:
Maybe. But given how western governments operate, a less bitter pill than decades of rhetoric being shown up for what it is would be a small mushroom cloud in a faraway place.
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You must be too young to remember the Europe wide radioactive fallout after the Chernobyl disaster. Welsh sheep farmers had to cull their flocks because they’d eaten grass that radioactive rain had fallen on.

The fallout from even a small tactical nuke detonated on the ground would be way worse.
 
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