Some AMD cards are now approaching MSRP

[MCFC_ANDY]

Maybe people just don't think it's all it's cracked up to be, and that's all there is to it? Maybe not everyone gives a **** about it? Maybe people just think it's a gimmick? Maybe people have used it and were jusy "meh" about the results? (pretty common rfepsonse from what I have seen)

Simple really, it doesn't stop you enjoying it, I just don't think you need to "educate" anyone on it?

Is anyone asking for an "education" on RT?

I don't think they are.

you say it better then me

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Everyone knows that RTX is is good. The problem is the approximate 40% drop in framerate. So a 3070 performs like a 3060 with RTX on. There's £200 difference between those two cards. So you pay £200 extra to see better graphics in a game. I'd rather save £200 and have RTX off for the same framerate.

 

[Nexus18]

guys why you need to defend what you already believe in, just many dont, not going to convert folk by belittling them, or knowing more etc, its down to personal choice. now on your merry way

No one is "defending" what we believe, just pointing out how factually incorrect comments like the following are:

- "rt is just shiny surfaces"
- "rt is a gimmick"

etc.

Why make such claims with no evidence to back it up? Like I said, if you and others are not interested or don't care for RT, just say that (there's nothing wrong with that).

 

[humbug]

Everyone knows that RTX is is good. The problem is the approximate 40% drop in framerate. So a 3070 performs like a 3060 with RTX on. There's £200 difference between those two cards. So you pay £200 extra to see better graphics in a game. I'd rather save £200 and have RTX off for the same framerate.

This is the point i made a few pages back... @Nexus18 running round putting out what he perceives as fires like he's one of Jenson's stealth accounts!

I feel like winding him up he's so uptight over it but the mods don't like that much, Killjoys.

 

[Wrinkly]

Maybe people just don't think it's all it's cracked up to be, and that's all there is to it? Maybe not everyone gives a toss about it? Maybe people just think it's a gimmick? Maybe people have used it and were just "meh" about the results? (pretty common response from what I have read)

Simple really, it doesn't stop you enjoying it, I just don't think you need to "educate" anyone on it?

Is anyone asking for an "education" on RT?

I don't think they are.

The old ignorance is bliss arguement?

 

[Nexus18]

This is the point i made a few pages back... @Nexus18 running round putting out what he perceives as fires like he's one of Jenson's stealth accounts!

I feel like winding him up he's so uptight over it but the mods don't like that much, Killjoys.

The only thing that winds me up is peoples complete lack of understanding and inability to post anything of substance with evidence to back up their claims. Given we are on what is suppose to be an "enthusiast" forum, you would think people would be better educated on these kinds of topics. And this:

No one is "defending" what we believe, just pointing out how factually incorrect comments like the following are:

- "rt is just shiny surfaces"
- "rt is a gimmick"

etc.

Why make such claims with no evidence to back it up? Like I said, if you and others are not interested or don't care for RT, just say that (there's nothing wrong with that).

Yes performance could be better but what do you expect when you are getting "next gen" graphics? Of course it will come at a cost..... also, for "modern" gpus, we're not talking about fps dropping to like <30 fps here either, in most cases, performance is still at a level that most people would consider playable especially when you throw in FSR/DLSS which brings the performance back to more than playable fps with little to no IQ cost.... Also as per my point earlier on, when done right, RT can in fact perform better i.e. see metro exodus enhanced and read what the developers themselves have said.

Who would have thought, pc gamers not wanting to get better graphics!?

 

[Zarax]

PC gamers would love to get better graphics, they simply cannot afford them.
RT will take off for real when an RT capable card will dethrone the GTX 1060 as Steam's most popular card, until then it will be just a nice to have.

 

[Woodsta888]

I think what NExus understands is the physical advancement and the physics themselves around RT.

Many commenting the opposite probably don't understand the physics. Saying RT is simply a reflection or shiny, inst what RT is at all. RT is the effect of light from many surfaces and accurately modelling and projecting not only light but shadows and those effects From and onto many surfaces and the accurate physics and reaction of light between them - in real time. They've done the same with sound - but if you cant hear spatial sound because you don't own 7.1 or whatever it'll probably seem a gimmick too.

If done well it adds immersion - maybe not required in 2042 whilst you are getting your head blown off looking at your reflection - but to be fair seeing as the game is an utter fail on nearly all levels - I doubt it's been well implemented anyway and as the general game performance is so poor - worth turning off anyway.

Anything with CGI / Disney Pixar has been using raytracing for a long time - though that is just rendered and isn't in real time, such as now in games.

Same as water - I'm not really looking at water and how good it looks - but the advancements in that over the years only adds to the game and immersion.

It's just better light physics modelled regarding the built/natural environment adding immersion via realism.

Considering the 3000 (3080) and above - if you've afforded the GPU horsepower alongside DLSS 2.0 - RTX is just free. No one really bought these cards solely for RT. Just good high res performance, enhanced by DLSS. Tensor cores are just included anyway - so may as well use 'em.

Maybe CGI houses shouldn't bother as no one will notice the difference. And all the people modding games to make them look better (enhance) may as well give up too.

I turn off RT in games where it's not done well, or the environment doesn't lend itself to it that well. The built environment with lots of light sources does it best. Natural environment - not so much as most of it will absorb light in the real world.

 

[rebirth]

I'd buy a 3080 Ti from OCUK right now, this second, if they can offer a forum deal. Doesn't have to be much, just a small incentive so I don't panic and hold back wondering if they'll be a hundred pounds cheaper tomorrow.

 

[Darujhistan]

The old ignorance is bliss arguement?

Oh dear the pain of the thwarted evangelist, something tells me me far too much of your self-worth is tied up with RT - hence the endless posts!

 

[sparkymark75]

As the number of titles using RT grows, even Eldon Ring is getting RT, the number of people looking for RDNA2 will diminish. There's already a thread on RDNA2 being obsolete.

I swear you’re Jensen! By increasing you mean like 1 a month. And for pretty much every game, it’s just eye candy.

 

[Calin Banc]

Nvidia have a history of over doing specific features they do well in for games they sponsor in order to cripple performance on lower end cards, its what they do.

But that doesn't apply here. Is not tessellation all over again. Is more like "don't use that high/ultra Lighting setting, AMD is not doing good, medium is plenty" and you can apply that to shadows, AO, etc. At least nVIDIA are pushing forward with their tech while AMD is more like "here it is, love it have it, we don't care that much; good luck!".

 

[sparkymark75]

Basically, AMD out of nowhere caught up (and passed in some cases) nVidia on rasterisation so now Jensens army are using RT as some sort of stick to beat AMD owners with.

 

[humbug]

But that doesn't apply here. Is not tessellation all over again. Is more like "don't use that high/ultra Lighting setting, AMD is not doing good, medium is plenty" and you can apply that to shadows, AO, etc. At least nVIDIA are pushing forward with their tech while AMD is more like "here it is, love it have it, we don't care that much; good luck!".

Did you have a 2080TI?

 

[rebirth]

But that doesn't apply here. Is not tessellation all over again. Is more like "don't use that high/ultra Lighting setting, AMD is not doing good, medium is plenty" and you can apply that to shadows, AO, etc. At least nVIDIA are pushing forward with their tech while AMD is more like "here it is, love it have it, we don't care that much; good luck!".

The 6900XT is tempting, but I've never owned a AMD card so the stories about them fill me with dread. RT/DLSS isn't really the selling point for Nvidia cards to me. It's more familiarity and knowing they have the bigger market share, which, going by Internet voices, pays off in the software (drivers, game bias etc etc). I think I'd only choose AMD if they were a lot cheaper than they are.

 

[humbug]

The 6900XT is tempting, but I've never owned a AMD card so the stories about them fill me with dread. RT/DLSS isn't really the selling point for Nvidia cards to me. It's more familiarity and knowing they have the bigger market share, which, going by Internet voices, pays off in the software (drivers, game bias etc etc). I think I'd only choose AMD if they were a lot cheaper than they are.

Yeah i know where you're coming from, an RTX 3090 is only £750 more expensive.

 

[rebirth]

Yeah i know where you're coming from, an RTX 3090 is only £750 more expensive.

I wouldn't compare those two. The 3080Ti vs 6900XT is a fairer comparison. 12gb gddr6x vs 16gb gddr6. The 24gb of expensive vram on the 3090 is a waste outside of content creation. It should have been a Titan.

 

[Wrinkly]

Oh dear the pain of the thwarted evangelist, something tells me me far too much of your self-worth is tied up with RT - hence the endless posts!

What juicy gossip have you heard from the knitting circle? Has Nvidia decided to pull the RT cores? Perhaps Intel's delay is due to removal of said cores? What about AMD, have they decided that RT is no longer worth developing? Has Sony torn up it's latest patent on RT? It's not Microsoft reverting to DX 11 is it? Could it be Hollywood is planning a return to paper plates dangled from string and maybe the odd rubber shark?

I swear you’re Jensen! By increasing you mean like 1 a month. And for pretty much every game, it’s just eye candy.

Conspiracy theories aside, yes increasing does tend to suggest an upword tally.

This is the GPU section. WTF did you two expect?

 

[humbug]

I wouldn't compare those two. The 3080Ti vs 6900XT is a fairer comparison. 12gb gddr6x vs 16gb gddr6. The 24gb of expensive vram on the 3090 is a waste outside of content creation. It should have been a Titan.

When you said "6900XT" i though you were going for that last 7% at any cost, does mater what name you give it above the 6800XT / RTX 3080 they are all a con.

 

[Nexus18]

I think what NExus understands is the physical advancement and the physics themselves around RT.

Many commenting the opposite probably don't understand the physics. Saying RT is simply a reflection or shiny, inst what RT is at all. RT is the effect of light from many surfaces and accurately modelling and projecting not only light but shadows and those effects From and onto many surfaces and the accurate physics and reaction of light between them - in real time. They've done the same with sound - but if you cant hear spatial sound because you don't own 7.1 or whatever it'll probably seem a gimmick too.

If done well it adds immersion - maybe not required in 2042 whilst you are getting your head blown off looking at your reflection - but to be fair seeing as the game is an utter fail on nearly all levels - I doubt it's been well implemented anyway and as the general game performance is so poor - worth turning off anyway.

Anything with CGI / Disney Pixar has been using raytracing for a long time - though that is just rendered and isn't in real time, such as now in games.

Same as water - I'm not really looking at water and how good it looks - but the advancements in that over the years only adds to the game and immersion.

It's just better light physics modelled regarding the built/natural environment adding immersion via realism.

Considering the 3000 (3080) and above - if you've afforded the GPU horsepower alongside DLSS 2.0 - RTX is just free. No one really bought these cards solely for RT. Just good high res performance, enhanced by DLSS. Tensor cores are just included anyway - so may as well use 'em.

Maybe CGI houses shouldn't bother as no one will notice the difference. And all the people modding games to make them look better (enhance) may as well give up too.

I turn off RT in games where it's not done well, or the environment doesn't lend itself to it that well. The built environment with lots of light sources does it best. Natural environment - not so much as most of it will absorb light in the real world.

But that doesn't apply here. Is not tessellation all over again. Is more like "don't use that high/ultra Lighting setting, AMD is not doing good, medium is plenty" and you can apply that to shadows, AO, etc. At least nVIDIA are pushing forward with their tech while AMD is more like "here it is, love it have it, we don't care that much; good luck!".

Exactly

People are treating rt the same way they did with nvidias overdone tessellation back in the crysis 2 and witcher 3 days, difference being, it's not even remotely close to being the same scenario.

£650 for a 3080 was and still is a great deal, getting very good rasterization performance as it is, good RT and dlss too is just the cherry on top. Meanwhile show me where I can get a 6800xt for that/MSRP price in the UK Why pay more for less?