Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Minusorange]

If that's the father and son video then there was footage taken by the people that found them. Couldn't watch that but the initial one was heart breaking.

Yeah it's pretty ******* grim, there's another one I saw last night of a couple who found 2 vehicles shot up along with about 7 people just lying dead in the snow, they took their first aid kit thinking they could help but then you can hear gunshots so they quickly dashed back to their car to escape after realising there was nothing they could do for the others, the most depressing one I saw was the old couple shot to pieces, with their masks in hands to remind us that there's still a pandemic going on among this brutality

What other intent could there be?

Perhaps he believes what Putin said in his speech yesterday that Ukrainian soldiers are using civilians as shields and using the residential building to hide cannons

 

[Nerusy]

Are you kidding they're doing the early days of the blitz, what military target is around high rise residential estate?

In the uk if somone shelled a block of flates would you be saying they were aiming for a military target?

What military target was this missile aimed at?

So as I was saying - intent. Assuming this is from Russian missile or a Russian airplane then I doubt they intended to shoot something expensive at a flat. I assume they were targeting important military infrastructure or military targets nearby.

 

[muon]

So as I was saying - intent. Assuming this is from Russian missile or a Russian airplane then I doubt they intended to shoot something expensive at a flat. I assume they were targeting important military infrastructure or military targets nearby.

I can also assume lots of things to make things sound better. However, what I can't deny is what I see right in front of me.

Unless you show me a nearby valid military target, your assumption has no value or merit.

You criticised someone's captioning in a video above as not proof of anything, and now you literally make stuff up with no evidence.

 

[Nerusy]

So what's your judgement if you are going to criticise the title? What does it look like to you?

You are going to throw into the mix that it could be Ukrainians firing at their own residential towers?

It's easy to ask questions and try and sound intelligent with no value provided.

My only point was doubting intent of targeting civilians targeting civilians. I do not need to make ridicules guesses around a 32sec video as if I know what is happening.. And no I doubt that Ukrainians would be firing at this building, it was likely Russian forces.

 

[Parsley]

Why is there so much whataboutism? I swear people just enjoy being utterly obtuse.

 

[Washout]

Back in mid December when party gate was in full swing, little wonder Putin thought we’d barely notice…..
https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-johnson-warning-ukraine/31607338.html

I think:

• Party gate was serious, just the sheer mind bogging stupidity of hosting engagements while your own rules prohibited loved ones being together when one was dying from covid... Well it beggars belief really. Obviously stacked up against a war in Europe, well, most things don't compare to that.
• Boris, being the weasel he is saw what was happening in Ukraine and used it to full effect to take the heat off. Pure blind luck for him really. He got out of dodge and took Truss with him to deal with these naughty Russians.
• In a weird cosmic way it did work out well for Ukraine though - no doubt those early shipments of weapons may well have stopped the initial onslaught and saved them. I'm not sure Boris thought things would actually kick off like that though!
• The delayed and smaller scale sanctions Britain have announced are fairly small next to the EUs. Despite Britain being less reliant on Russian gas than the continent. Does beg the question of why and there are genuine concerns about Russian money in the Tory party.

 

[Nerusy]

I can also assume lots of things to make things sound better. However, what I can't deny is what I see right in front of me.

Unless you show me a nearby valid military target, your assumption has no value or merit.

You criticised someone's captioning in a video above as not proof of anything, and now you literally make stuff up with no evidence.

Well from various videos during the beginning of the conflict we could see a lot of strela-10 moving around Kyiv (it's the one that ran over the car). So I am guessing that could have been one of targets although if it was ballistic missiles I doubt they would waste it on a single strela.

You could be right though, since we're all guessing here, maybe Russians are deliberately targeting civilians. I do not exactly know why that would be useful (I am aware of scare tactics argument though) but I doubt it. Hence I said I doubt the intent.

 

[muon]

Why is there so much whataboutism? I swear people just enjoy being utterly obtuse.

Exactly. Let's dismiss what we see in front of us by inventing a story with zero evidence. Exactly what Russian propaganda is doing, but it looks like we have people in this forum who are happy to do the same.

 

[bainbridge]

I'm getting a bit weary of the rolling news now, and the western reaction to events. Take the latest nuclear power plant capture, for example:

Capture it and you control a significant proportion of the country's power supply. It's a prime strategic goal.

It must have been built in the Soviet era, therefore Russia will have detailed plans of the plant, and knowledge of how to operate it, and can hatch a plan to take it while trying to avoid a nuclear disaster.

The Russians captured it, and there was no nuclear disaster.

The western world goes beserk. How could Putin do such a thing? Of course they're going to try to take the site! They're invading the country.

 

[Raikiri]

And you think it's tank fire because youtube title says it? I am not saying it's not. You have 32 seconds video without context. Were there soldiers in that building. Who was firing. From what. Why. By default everybody assumes it's the Russians shooting at civilians. I doubt that given lack of information. It is possible though.

I think it's tank fire because of the angle of impact. Even if there were soldiers in the building, which is purely speculative on your part...

Fact is, the video shows residential buildings being targeted by Russian forces. As do many, many others (which are much more graphic so I won't post them). What it doesn't show is any form of gunfire or armaments coming from the building; which is what you're claiming.

 

[dave28]

Its one thing saying Russia is doing this or that but they deny it all, even saying BS like Ukraine let out criminals from prison, gave them guns and now they are going around doing all these murders on civilians. Their lies are so nieve and transparent that it is sickening

 

[Nerusy]

I think it's tank fire because of the angle of impact. Even if there were soldiers in the building, which is purely speculative on your part...

Fact is, the video shows residential buildings being targeted by Russian forces. As do many, many others (which are much more graphic so I won't post them). What it doesn't show is any form of gunfire or armaments coming from the building; which is what you're claiming.

Are people not reading what I am writing. I am not saying they definitely had fighters in there. What I am saying is you lot see 32 seconds video with very little information and literally imagine all the context and military hardware that is not in the video. Bloody hell, I *doubt* the intent. I am not claiming it is not the case.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Absolute balls I'm afraid.
When the crap hits the fan (which in the grand scheme of things , supposed Christmas parties in Downing St compared to our current situation don't even register) I think Bojo - much to my surprise - has shown very good leadership.

The saddest aspect of this all is why this was building up before our eyes - and Boris even tried to warn us of it - it was all about booze in No. 10 and nobody saw the monster coming down the road....

I'm not saying they haven't been supplying weapons. I'm saying they've happily taken Russian money and are now dragging their feet on sanctions of oligarchs and it looks bad. They could have also said they'll give all the money donated by oligarchs to a charities like the Red Cross in Ukraine or Doctors Without Borders but they haven't. Its just more sleaze and corruption from our corrupt politicians.

In reality companies and foreign nations spend most of their effort trying to buy favour with the current ruling party.

There has therefore been little incentive to provide 'donations' to the Labour party or their MP's for the past 10 years or so whilst they have been in the political wilderness.

The did however reward the last outgoing Labour PM (as is often the case with the a lot of the money coming after the service)

The UK government provided early pre war practical assistance to the Ukraine whilst others dragged their heels.

Well foreign nations and nationals shouldn't be buying favour. No one should be buying favour of government. If Labour were doing it then they should be dragged over the coals for it as well. This isn't a party political issue and the idea that they should be cut a break over it because they supplied weapons is laughable. One thing doesn't cancel out the other. This is how stuff like this keeps happening, we never hold them to account.

 

[Firestar_3x]

I'm getting a bit weary of the rolling news now, and the western reaction to events. Take the latest nuclear power plant capture, for example:

Capture it and you control a significant proportion of the country's power supply. It's a prime strategic goal.

It must have been built in the Soviet era, therefore Russia will have detailed plans of the plant, and knowledge of how to operate it, and can hatch a plan to take it while trying to avoid a nuclear disaster.

The Russians captured it, and there was no nuclear disaster.

The western world goes beserk. How could Putin do such a thing? Of course they're going to try to take the site! They're invading the country.

Yes, but shooting, shelling and rocket launching supporting buildings is just reckless.

 

[muon]

I'm getting a bit weary of the rolling news now, and the western reaction to events. Take the latest nuclear power plant capture, for example:

Capture it and you control a significant proportion of the country's power supply. It's a prime strategic goal.

It must have been built in the Soviet era, therefore Russia will have detailed plans of the plant, and knowledge of how to operate it, and can hatch a plan to take it while trying to avoid a nuclear disaster.

The Russians captured it, and there was no nuclear disaster.

The western world goes beserk. How could Putin do such a thing? Of course they're going to try to take the site! They're invading the country.

The issue is the shelling of the site. It is crazy to shell buildings attached to a nuclear power plant. We have members in this forum already claiming shelling accuracy is so bad, of course they are hitting residential buildings by accident, it isn't deliberate.

You obviously haven't been following the news well enough.

 

[Raikiri]

Are people not reading what I am writing. I am not saying they definitely had fighters in there. What I am saying is you lot see 32 seconds video with very little information and literally imagine all the context and military hardware that is not in the video. Bloody hell, I *doubt* the intent. I am not claiming it is not the case.

But it's not 32 seconds. It's one of dozens of videos I've seen of civilians being targeted. Why do you doubt the intent?

 

[Semple]

Its one thing saying Russia is doing this or that but they deny it all, even saying BS like Ukraine let out criminals from prison, gave them guns and now they are going around doing all these murders on civilians. Their lies are so nieve and transparent that it is sickening

That's the Russian propaganda machine at its finest for you.

 

[Nerusy]

But it's not 32 seconds. It's one of dozens of videos I've seen of civilians being targeted. Why do you doubt the intent?

I've written like what 9 posts on the subject. What else can I say, I've already written everything.

 

[Gibbo]

The issue is the shelling of the site. It is crazy to shell buildings attached to a nuclear power plant. We have members in this forum already claiming shelling accuracy is so bad, of course they are hitting residential buildings by accident, it isn't deliberate.

You obviously haven't been following the news well enough.

Firing on a car full of unarmed civilians (press) screaming stop and never returning fire seems pretty deliberate considering they continue firing as they run away.

That is just plain cold attempt at mass murder and absolutely deliberate attack by Russian soldiers on unarmed people, just disgraceful really.

 

[muon]

I've written like what 9 posts on the subject. What else can I say, I've already written everything.

Playing Russia's advocate with zero evidence will do that.