Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I'm going to type something distasteful BUT... If "we" are not prepared to go to war, which we are not.. i am certainly not.. then Ukraine must understand the reasons why and repercussions if we did what they ask. I dont think anyone wants to test Putins mettle , not yet.

Yes its war and absolutely terrible, yes its going to get worse, but these condemnations of NATO by the president and others is ridiculous.
Its sick but right now Russia is fighting with restraint...This will hopefully not escalate.

Heartless but this isn't genocide....

I know its Fd Up..
 
RobHu said:
Read a few tweets today (OSINTdefender/OSINTtechnical) claiming that Ukraine launched a big counter offensive in the Kharkiv region today/yesterday. One of those claimed that Ukraine has effectively destroyed an entire regiment (>1000 troops) and pushed them all the way back to the border :eek:. Found this link (https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/03/4/7328307/) backing it up, but as a biased news source it has to be taken with a pinch of salt. There a couple of new videos today showing destroyed Russian vehicles allegedly from this area (it's snowing in those videos + weather reports are that it's snowing in the region), so perhaps some truth to the story.
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I've seen a few reports they sent the 4th Guards Tank Division into a full retreat but other than a couple of videos of abandoned armour with markings of that division not seen much proof - if true it is significant as they are one of the more experienced groups.
 
Firestar_3x said:
These sanctions are going to last years, they need to do something to keep the domestic market functional, they are in progress of making 737max competitors but sanctions have set that back further, they will just end up buying Comac stuff.

See 2:52 forward in the YouTube i linked.
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I'm not talking just about building planes/sourcing parts though, reneging on lease agreements is going to harm them going forwards, they won't be able to fly overseas.

The insurance is surely going to be a big issue if/when they do want to fly in the future. You don't know which sanctions will last and for how long, if the conflict ends soon then being able to travel internationally is something they'll want to be able to do.
 
Rroff said:
I've seen a few reports they sent the 4th Guards Tank Division into a full retreat but other than a couple of videos of abandoned armour with markings of that division not seen much proof - if true it is significant as they are one of the more experienced groups.
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These NLAW's and Javelins seem to be causing chaos, Russian tanks are just iron coffins
 
dowie said:
I'm not talking just about building planes/sourcing parts though, reneging on lease agreements is going to harm them going forwards, they won't be able to fly overseas.

The insurance is surely going to be a big issue if/when they do want to fly in the future. You don't know which sanctions will last and for how long, if the conflict ends soon then being able to travel internationally is something they'll want to be able to do.
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I would guess their main mechanical issue going forward will be engines and spare parts, I doubt they'll be doing any flying anyway soon.
 
dowie said:
I'm not talking just about building planes/sourcing parts though, reneging on lease agreements is going to harm them going forwards, they won't be able to fly overseas.

The insurance is surely going to be a big issue if/when they do want to fly in the future.
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Absolutely who in the West is going to lease to them after this anyway (in the short or longer term), i guess they could register the international arm of the business outside of the country.
 
Freakbro said:
The Ukranian secret service shoot and kill one of their own peace negotiators in the talks in Belarus when trying to arrest him, due to "strong evidence" he was leaking info to the Russians...

https://theloadstar.com/i-sbu-kills...icion-of-treason-parliamentarian-honcharenko/

Odd turn of events if true! :eek:
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One of their MPs was also arrested passing intel to Russians.

Just have to hope they don't resort to increasingly draconian and panicked measures to maintain control and have to worry that if things continue for a long time that we see "ethnic" genocide, particularly in the East.
 
Efour said:
I think they don't seem to care going by the language they use. Everyone that dies will be blood on NATO members hands.

It's desperate talk. I'm glad our leaders have their current stance.
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Yes it's almost like their country is being blown to **** and the lives of everyone they know and love are in danger.
 
Freakbro said:
The Ukranian secret service shoot and kill one of their own peace negotiators in the talks in Belarus when trying to arrest him, due to "strong evidence" he was leaking info to the Russians...

https://theloadstar.com/i-sbu-kills...icion-of-treason-parliamentarian-honcharenko/

Odd turn of events if true! :eek:
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Blimey, actually in Belarus!??? That's a tad risky, I guess the risk of him potentially defecting is rather great there but starting a possible firefight with Belarussians risks all the negotiating team.
 
Efour said:
I think they don't seem to care going by the language they use. Everyone that dies will be blood on NATO members hands.

It's desperate talk. I'm glad our leaders have their current stance.
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Well if Russia goes after Sweden next do you think they won't be screaming for help too...
 
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