If that’s the case why would they not go to close relatives?
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I mean I haven’t have i. You’re talking utter nonsense as you have been for a few days. Enjoy the ignore list
That doesn’t make a good story.
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Everyone else is dead (war or prewar who knows), it states they have no other relatives.
Perhaps - but you would have thought the UK gov would have gotten ahead of this and deployed people to the border to assist those eligible/wanting to get to the UK for sanctuary.
Weak.
What sort of argument is that?
The fact that you can point at someone worse doesn't make Boris Johnson perfect.
Criticising our leaders isn't shameful, it's how a free society works.
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A lot do want to get to Poland, rather than Moldova.
I know several contacts who are at the border and trying to do exactly that right now having come from Odessa or further.
The issue is many have lives/jobs in ukraine that may never be again.
Some don't have their passports, only have the clothes on their back and yes getting to safety in Poland is primary concern. But what then? They may not be able to go home for the foreseeable. What if your home is an apartment in Kyiv where your life, documents , passport etc are? What will they do in Poland to rebuild their lives? Does Poland have job vacancies for potentially 2million plus ukranians?
Criticising is fine pathetic hysteria is not.
If we assume that then why not stay in Poland or another neighbouring country. They said a lot of Ukrainians would be more comfortable settling in the neighbouring countries due to cultural alignment. I guess it will just come down to making an exception or not and these things aren’t quick.
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Thanks I think. Anyone else hear Land of Hope and Glory when they read that? We clearly aren’t leading the world in terms of keeping our own house tidy though are we?
It's funny seeing all the usual right wingers post, "what was wrong stopping in France, or the countries she went through to get to the UK". After all these years they still don't get how the refugee system works.
Let me dumb it down for you all. Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
You might also want to look up the Dublin regulations and how they no longer apply since Brexit. You won, get over it.
The ones who do try to get to the UK are most likely doing so for a very good reason, such as having family ties here in the UK. So my first assumption is "must have family here" when a Ukrainian refugee tries to get all the way to the UK, bypassing most of Europe. It certainly isn't for the warm welcome they will get, or the weather for **** sake.
Also the French customs authorities are not responsible for issuing UK visa's. If they were refused entry at Calais it was down to UK customs, NOT the French.
Let me dumb it down for you all. Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another. There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
You might also want to look up the Dublin regulations and how they no longer apply since Brexit. You won, get over it.
The ones who do try to get to the UK are most likely doing so for a very good reason, such as having family ties here in the UK. So my first assumption is "must have family here" when a Ukrainian refugee tries to get all the way to the UK, bypassing most of Europe. It certainly isn't for the warm welcome they will get, or the weather for **** sake.
Also the French customs authorities are not responsible for issuing UK visa's. If they were refused entry at Calais it was down to UK customs, NOT the French.
And it will cost a mimimum of $21 billion just to rebuild the Donbas, let alone the rest of the Ukraine, so comparing physical stuff that needs repairing and rebuilding, the Ukraine is by far the biggest looser in this war.
The Russians physically, have been hardly touched.
Yes financially through sanctions they have been hit hard, but they have no infrastructure to rebuild afterwards.
https://wiiw.ac.at/ukraine-reconstr...1-7-billion-or-16-of-ukraine-s-gdp-n-448.html
Who gives a monkeys how close the family is.
Should not be rules like that anyway.
It is very simple.
Are you Ukrainian?
Have you fled Ukraine?
If yes to either, let them in, end of story.
Have they applied for asylum in the UK? Not trying to be awkward but there is always more to this than usually presented.
How do we know they are fleeing war and haven’t just decided to move to UK from another country? Again not being awkward but there is a process, why isn’t this being followed?
If the Ukranians can kick the Russians out then literally billions in aid will flow into the country to rebuild once this is over. Russia will still be ****** though.
On your second point, I agree (subject to the normal security checks...)
Again should be no process.
At times like these, should be open border.
Sort it all out later.
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