Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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chrismscotland said:
Exactly this, I don't think people realise how big a thing it was for Scholz to U-turn on 60ish years of German foreign and defence policy in the space of a few days.

I'd expect their military capabilities to be significantly strengthened if they increase their defence budget as announced wtiith significant improved conventional capabilities, they don't have Trident to pay for.

I do know people already who are a little wary though with a strong German military......
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Quite, a military stuffed with H&K and planning to field over 300 modern MBTs within a few years
Eurofighter typhoons and tornados

Thats a very easy military for our forces to fight alongside should we need to
 
Semple said:
I don't see how this would even work. Having the premises and staff are one thing, but with no access to any IT infrastructure, supply chains etc, they're just going to be opening what's essentially an empty shop.

Take McDonalds as an example, i'm sure they'll need to import a number of products in to make most of the items on the menu. So what is Russia going to do with an McDonalds that they have no ingredients for.
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All the fast food places all the food comes from inside the country that's how a franchise works, same with coca cola etc all made in the country from basic ingredients to a recipe that the factories have that make the products for the stores. Nothing comes from outside the country unless it's the basic ingredients ..

You will be surprised how many products are made in the same country from big foreign brands. They could actually take over the shops and factories and have nothing to do with the brand that owns it as they are clearly going down the road of closing off Russia from the rest of the world internet, travel is gone, etc.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I'm not sure how she ever called herself a Democrat. And its a bit rich of Fox opinion consider Tucker Carlson-ski was backing Russia over this right up until the polling showed he was on the wrong side of history and then he has pathetically attempted to rewrite history on that. If this was a Republican president they would be swooning over him right now and probably banging the war drum.
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Gabbard is centre-right, but she has plenty of solid Democrat credentials.

For example, her positions on the environment, and healthcare are boilerplate Democrat. She has a mixed record on LGBT issues, but no more so than most other Democrats of her type.

She even supports legalising and regulating all drugs (very radical, even by Democrat standards) in addition to universal healthcare (she wants to see the US adopt a system modelled on Australia's; again, this is a radical leftist position for an American politician).

But when it comes to overseas wars, she has some pretty weird takes that start with non-intervention (a generally sound principle) and somehow end with handwaving Syrian war crimes.
 
Semple said:
Sanctions may put Russia in a more powerful position in the long run, by being forced to be self-sufficient, but i'd be amazed if that happens in the next decade or two.
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Being self-sufficient doesn't make you powerful; it makes you weak. Even a functional country would achieve far less without trading with the world, a country as dysfunctional and corrupt as Russia is going to be even worse.
 
BowdonUK said:
Thinking about the situation now in the world, we have a situation were any country with nukes can invade another country, take it over, and won't be directly attacked by any other country with nuclear weapons.
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No, it's not quite like that - it's more chess.

Russia negotiated that the sovereign countries bordering it would not have NATO membership unless they asked for it..

So it would be nuclear checkmate if russia attacks a NATO country or a NATO country attacks Russia. However as NATO will not engage to defend a country that is not a NATO member, and the bordering sovereign countries are not allowed to be NATO, it allows Russia to simply steamroller it without intervention from NATO.
This agreement inherently favours Russia and not the sovereign country. Unless the sovereign country then joined NATO.
 
Simon said:
The sanctions and associated reactions are turning the populous anti Europe if anything
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We're not trying to please the Russian public, we're trying to save Ukraine. I couldn't give a **** about how the Russians feel. **** 'em.
 
Shamikebab said:
Some really nasty people in here. It's one thing supporting Ukraine, it's quite another to wish ill on a mostly innocent population.
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The Russians are the people who have kept Putin in power by praising his policies and constantly voting for him. I think they bear at least a little responsibility for this mess. I'm not wishing ill on them, just saying I don't care if they're upset about the sanctions caused by Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
 
Sankari said:
We're not trying to please the Russian public, we're trying to save Ukraine. I couldn't give a **** about how the Russians feel. **** 'em.
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Big man.

The strategy to oust putin could easily turn into us being the problem pushing millions into the third world. Not so sure we should be demonising the whole nation, we need their help to get rid of putin.

If I was a regular Russian I'd be pretty bitter towards the west right now
 
Sankari said:
We're not trying to please the Russian public, we're trying to save Ukraine. I couldn't give a **** about how the Russians feel. **** 'em.
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I think that's somewhat besides the point though isn't it - the sanctions are aimed at stopping the behaviour of the government, in part by pressuring the population to object to their actions but the effectiveness is going to be lessened if the actual outcome is they develop a dislike of Europe/West and this galvanises them to support their government in taking ever more extreme measures to fight back against our oppressive behaviour towards them.
 
Sankari said:
The Russians are the people who have kept Putin in power by praising his policies and constantly voting for him. I think they bear at least a little responsibility for this mess. I'm not wishing ill on them, just saying I don't care if they're upset about the sanctions caused by Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
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Point is they aren’t. Hence they won’t get the effect people assume…
 
Shamikebab said:
Debatable considering we don't know if the numbers are true or not. Regardless they're a population that is lied to and has their freedoms curtailed if they demonstrate.
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Besides that do they even know what they're 'supporting' anyway? They've been subject to so many years of lies, disinformation etc. that plenty probably genuinely believe Russia is carrying out some sort of liberation or defensive action against the hostile West/NATO and if that were true, why wouldn't they support it?
 
Shamikebab said:
Debatable considering we don't know if the numbers are true or not. Regardless they're a population that is lied to and has their freedoms curtailed if they demonstrate.
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Exactly, it is debatable but you declared them to be mostly innocent. That's not a statement that can be made with any level of confidence.
 
Dis86 said:
Have a look at some of the interviews with them in this thread.
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I don’t need to. They are hand picked to suit a narrative. The point of punishment being an ok result is the whole reason this thing started to appease what started in 2014. Constant, rapid, reactions are what caused the previous world wars. This to some is a worthy response to the Donbas killing of civilians. Again two wrongs don’t make a right
 
Simon said:
I don’t need to. They are hand picked to suit a narrative. The point of punishment being a or the result is the whole reason this thing started to appease what started in 2014. Constant, rapid, reactions are what caused the previous world wars
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They were broad spectrum interviews showing support for and against carried out by third party news teams. So I suggest you do need to view them.
 
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