Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Unisol Magic · 9 Mar 2022 at 21:42

Heartbreaking to see the sorrow in his face but god, what an amazing person

NickK · 9 Mar 2022 at 21:44

Semple said:
Even upto now Russian propaganda is to hate the west.

Putin giving the Russian population the mushroom treatment means it's easy to perpetuate the demonisation of "them outside the border", the control means nobody holds the government to account or incompetence whilst the rich live with luxuries from outside the borders.

If Russians accept returning to the Cold War and being treated as slaves, then there is little we can do but wait for the corpse of our enemy to float past (to quote Sun Tsu).

Semple · 9 Mar 2022 at 21:47

Unisol Magic said:
Heartbreaking to see the sorrow in his face but god, what an amazing person

I really do hope he can survive this conflict, because he's really the one who will spur Ukrainian people into rebuilding their country.

Magic_x_uk · 9 Mar 2022 at 21:50

Semple said:
I really do hope he can survive this conflict, because he's really the one who will spur Ukrainian people into rebuilding their country.

Agreed. He has shown immense strength and leadership

supafly · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:00

It's time for the west to stop ******* around and actually do something. There is plenty of justification to intervene. What good are sanctions against people with billions in the bank?

Symbolic gestures wearing Ukraine ribbons is not good enough, stop talking and start doing.

ianh · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:02

sprite1275 said:
I'd like to know what weapon made a crater like that!

I'd suggest something with a minimum of a 2000lb to 3000lb unitary warhead makes a crater that large at approx 5.5m deep by 15m wide (see spoiler) into softish mud. However it's being reported that the Ukrainians have claimed it was from rocket-artillery (big unguided rockets) but there's no MLRS style rocket Russia has which has a warhead around that size (no 220mm rockets with a 2000lb warhead and TOS-1 thermobaric doesn't dig deep craters like this) and there's no aircraft munitions currently being carried over Ukraine by the RuAF's tactical aircraft which has a warhead that size.

In fact there is only the large FAB-1500 unguided bomb which matches up (3300lb bomb) but this is carried by the very large Tu-22M bombers which would have been widely noticed due to it's size and rarity, although they did use them in Syria, so I'm not sure what specifically caused this and I hate mysteries.

Todays Crater with man for scale -

V2 Crater from WW2 also with man for scale - V2 had a 2000lb warhead and the crater sizes are fairly similar (V2's is just a little smaller I'd say) when compared to the size of man.

ubersonic · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:04

supafly said:
It's time for the west to stop ******* around and actually do something.

The amount of collective inaction western governments have managed over this is impressive

Mr Jack · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:11

supafly said:
It's time for the west to stop ******* around and actually do something. There is plenty of justification to intervene.

Yup. We should be ready and willing to enter the war in Ukraine.

steve45 · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:12

ianh said:
I'd suggest something with a minimum of a 2000lb to 3000lb unitary warhead makes a crater that large at approx 5.5m deep by 15m wide (see spoiler) into softish mud. However it's being reported that the Ukrainians have claimed it was from rocket-artillery (big unguided rockets) but there's no MLRS style rocket Russia has which has a warhead around that size (no 220mm rockets with a 2000lb warhead and TOS-1 thermobaric doesn't dig deep craters like this) and there's no aircraft munitions currently being carried over Ukraine by the RuAF's tactical aircraft which has a warhead that size.

In fact there is only the large FAB-1500 unguided bomb which matches up (3300lb bomb) but this is carried by the very large Tu-22M bombers which would have been widely noticed due to it's size and rarity, although they did use them in Syria, so I'm not sure what specifically caused this and I hate mysteries.

Todays Crater with man for scale -

V2 Crater from WW2 also with man for scale - V2 had a 2000lb warhead and the crater sizes are fairly similar (V2's is just a little smaller I'd say) when compared to the size of man.

As far as I'm aware their guided 1500's can be carried on all of their modern Multirole platforms. Wouldnt make a lot of sense to use guided munitions in this fashion though surely?

Freddie1980 · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:15

ubersonic said:
The amount of collective inaction western governments have managed over this is impressive

All we've had in the last week or so is endless press conferences between leaders that don't go anywhere or lead to anything substantial. Tell a lie, there was Boris's 6 point plan he wrote an essay for in the news paper s that offered up nothing beyond what we were already doing.

robfosters · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:16

Mr Jack said:
Yup. We should be ready and willing to enter the war in Ukraine.

It’s such an awful moral dilemma. If we enter the war to save hundreds or thousands of children, we are risking the lives of millions of children.

I don’t know how you could even begin to face this decision

C.R.A.Z.Y · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:17

Looks like Russia (Putin) is setting the ground work to start using chemical/biological weapons

Mr Jack · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:18

robfosters said:
I don’t know how you could even begin to face this decision

Indeed. Things like this bring home the real weight of power. May our leaders be up to this impossible challenge.

dunker · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:21

robfosters · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:21

Mr Jack said:
Indeed. Things like this being home the real weight of power. May our leaders be up to this impossible challenge.

We could do with better ones right now.

Freddie1980 · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:22

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Looks like Russia (Putin) is setting the ground work to start using chemical/biological weapons

Don't worry Mr Biden about those planes after all there only Ukrainian's getting gassed like it's 1916......... :mad:

Neil79 · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:22

Looks like Sky News staff has gone home again, back on to the repeats and talking about the map invasion

Shamikebab · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:22

We're entering back into the intervene/nuclear phase of the thread cycle

ubersonic · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:23

ianh said:
However it's being reported that the Ukrainians have claimed it was from rocket-artillery (big unguided rockets) but there's no MLRS style rocket Russia has which has a warhead around that size (no 220mm rockets with a 2000lb warhead and TOS-1 thermobaric doesn't dig deep craters like this)

Maybe they meant rocket artillery as in rocket assisted artillery not long range rocket launching artillery? /shrug.

ianh said:
In fact there is only the large FAB-1500 unguided bomb which matches up (3300lb bomb) but this is carried by the very large Tu-22M bombers which would have been widely noticed due to it's size and rarity

And it's wreckage after it was shot down

ianh said:
Todays Crater with man for scale -

V2 Crater from WW2 also with man for scale - V2 had a 2000lb warhead and the crater sizes are fairly similar (V2's is just a little smaller I'd say) when compared to the size of man.

Crazy idea here, but considering where this war is being fought is it possible a Russian artillery strike set of an unexploded German/Soviet WW2 bomb?

robfosters · 9 Mar 2022 at 22:23

dunker said:
i'd feel great if you could explain how the words that you typed, won't escalate into nuclear warheads exchange?
which would be something like 1-4 billion people dead within 1 hour. over Ukraine?

i am flabbergasted of the recklessness of many ppl in here. it's actually scary.
hopefully many are just venting after seeing war from a side.

So do we just carry doing nothing whenever Putin threatens us with nukes?