Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I imagine the Mercs will be sent to the occupied parts so that the soldiers can move on. The aim of course is so the resistant public no longer comes into contact with Russian soldiers which provides deniability, protects those soldiers from reality and possibly depowers the rebelliousness of the public to some degree.

The West should just offer them more money to turn up in West Ukraine or in a NATO country in addition to sharing intel.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
i cant stand watching babies and toddlers waving goodbye to their daddies, i am feeling sick already. I have thoughts WW3 is maybe worth it, if we tolerate this then our children will be next, and i for one prefer a lift the burden rather for my kids to suffer.
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If you feel that strongly you are free to go to Ukraine and fight, you aren't free to decide nuclear war is a price we should all pay for your emotions
 
Twinz said:
Tell yourself that. Putin obviously doesn't need conventional capabilities against NATO. His threat of nukes seems to keep us under control just fine.
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So say NATO did roll over (extremely unlikely) most NATO country's would put up one hell of a fight by themselves anyway, Russia only has so much money, equipment and troops available to it, and most of it is in bad order and badly trained.

If you are suggesting that a NATO or other county would just roll over and surrender because someone is invading, has nukes and says give up or else, again an extremely unlikely scenario, war simply doesn't work like that when you are directly invading someone, otherwise a nuke would have been dropped on Ukraine at the start and Russia would still have all its men and gear.
 
We face the classic runaway trolly scenario - on one track we have Ukraine's destruction, and the other WW3.

What an absolute mess this whole thing is :(
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
...if we tolerate this then our children will be next...
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I've been thinking someone should do a remix of the Manic Street Preachers song with the lyrics replaced with "if you tolerate this your capital will be next" played over images of the devastation of Ukrainian cities. It'd take rather more musical talent than I possess, unfortunately.
 
Mr Jack said:
I've been thinking someone should do a remix of the Manic Street Preachers song with the lyrics replaced with "if you tolerate this your capital will be next" played over images of the devastation of Ukrainian cities. It'd take rather more musical talent than I possess, unfortunately.
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I'd argue that listening to the Manic's could be regarded as a declaration of war. On my hearing. :cry:
 
If Russia can hire Syrian mercenaries, what’s stopping Ukraine hiring Western mercenaries?

Must be a bunch of US PMC outfits currently underemployed after the fall of Afghanistan.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
If Russia can hire Syrian mercenaries, what’s stopping Ukraine hiring Western mercenaries?

Must be a bunch of US PMC outfits currently underemployed after the fall of Afghanistan.
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Yeah, cause what we need is private military contract companies in prime position to orchestrate a full WW3 that they'd profit immensely from. :rolleyes:
 
Putin is trying to get Zelensky to crack, he'll turn up the terror, hell throw these new troops forward and use the Syrians to terrorise civilians, at some point hell use chemical weapons again to further the terror and get Zelensky to crack if he doesn't crack hell go full blown genocidal mode with chemical weapons, as it's all he has left. If they surrender Putin will try to crush resistance with re-education camps as winne the pooh does.
I still don't think he can win militarily though he's just using terror as it's all he has, he's a monster.
Look how he's not allowed civilians to leave using them as human shields and bargaining chips, in the future he will throw the families of those resisting into re education camps.
 
Its lose lose for Russia now.

The cold war is back (apart from Germany going all giddy for gas) Ukraine will be split in two by the looks of it. Sanctions will remain in place for a long long time and where all the cool stuff is Russians will no longer be welcome. Maybe in another 50 years we will see the Ukraine wall come down, Putin has set back Russia another 75 years. Its quite funny apart from the senseless death and destruction.
 
SPG said:
Its lose lose for Russia now.

The cold war is back (apart from Germany going all giddy for gas) Ukraine will be split in two by the looks of it. Sanctions will remain in place for a long long time and where all the cool stuff is Russians will no longer be welcome. Maybe in another 50 years we will see the Ukraine wall come down, Putin has set back Russia another 75 years. Its quite funny apart from the senseless death and destruction.
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What a bizarre post. Hilarious!
 
Mr Jack said:
I agree that the West collectively failed in their approach to Russia in the last twenty years and especially since 2014. We misunderstand who Putin is, and what he wanted
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When I was looking through previous comments I came across another that highlights that perfectly. In a thread from 2016 worrying about pro-Russian leaders being installed in Moldova and Belarus, the first reply was

Terminal_Boy said:
You seriously believe that Putin wants to build a new Russian Empire?
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I guess we just dont understand the the idea of long term plans and ambitions dictators can have, since they know (or have a good idea) they're going to he in power to enact them.

It does seem a main weakness of the democratic West, our political leaders are so short termist, as their focus is just getting reelected in a few years time.
 
I hope those towns that were overrun do have caches squirrelled away. No way Russia gets to control the whole country, absolutely no chance.

not that I want to see the theory tested but I’m not sure western powers getting involved necessarily means automatic nukes. Assuming they operated solely in Ukraine it’d be a big escalation for Russia to start launching icbms and guaranteeing the annihilation of all their cities for the sake of giving up in Ukrainian territory.

but then if it all boils down to Putin and his own survival, who knows.
 
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