Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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News from past 3.5hrs:

*Head of Kyiv Region Police Says One New York Times Journalist Killed, Another Wounded by Russian Forces in Irpin Town
*New York Times Says in Statement That Journalist Killed in Ukraine Was Not Working for the Paper, Expresses Sadness Over Death

*Adviser to the Ukrainian President: We Will Not Give Up Any of Our Demands Which Are to Stop the War and Withdraw Russian Troops
*Adviser to the Ukrainian President: The Russian Delegation Has Not Set a Deadline for Negotiations but Is Listening Carefully to Our Proposals
*Ukrainian Negotiating Team: We Believe That Results From Talks With Russia Can Be Reached in the Coming Days
*Ukraine: Russian Forces Reinforce Their Deployment on the Roads Leading to Kyiv From the Cities of Boryspil and Chernihiv

*Russian Delegate to Talks With Ukraine Says It May Be Possible to Reach a Joint Position Between the Two Delegations Soon – TASS
*Russian Delegate to Talks With Ukraine Says There Has Been Substantial Progress Since They Began – RIA

*U.S. National Security Adviser Sullivan to Discuss Russia’s War Against Ukraine With China’s Yang in Rome on Monday – Source
*Washington–U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan Warned of a Full-Fledged NATO Response if a Russian Strike Were to Hit Member-State Poland, After an Attack on a Ukrainian Military Base Roughly 10 Miles From the Border.

*Russia Defence Ministry Says It Carried Out Attack on Training Facility in Yavoriv in Western Ukraine – Interfax
*Russia Says Yavoriv Facility Was Being Used to Store Military Equipment That Had Been Delivered From Foreign Nations – RIA News Agency
*Russia’s Defense Ministry Says It Will Continue Attacks Against Foreign Mercenaries
*Russian Mod: Up to 180 Foreign Mercenaries Killed in Russian Strikes on Ukrainian Training Centres
*Russian Federation Announced Control Over the Ukrainian City of Popasna
*Belarus Has Denied Rumors About the Allegedly Preparing to Send the Military to Ukraine
*Russia’s Defense Ministry: The Number of Settlements Taken Under Control by the DPR Forces Reached 90

*U.S National Security Advisor Said Russia Would Pay Severe Price for Chemical Arms Use
*U.S. State Department Condemns Erbil Missile Attack
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
The guy just makes himself look like an idiot. He could have followed the posts back to his post where he clearly say it but no, that is too difficult.

Reading those pages around that date the amount of posters swooning over Putin is worrying to say the least. They seem to crave leadership that invades other countries, murders political rivals, dissidents and journalists. You can imagine them all in 1933 voting for Hitler.
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You seem surprised, if you look at politics in the UK its hard to find a sound political voice that appeals to those who like you said crave leadership. It is why they looked to people like Putin, Trump and so on.
 
Entai said:
You and many others on here just do not get it.

Ukraine is being sacrificed for the rest of the world to live, and to give time for Russia to be destroyed economically.

To all intents and purposes the West will allow ukraine to be wiped off the face of the earth, either conventionally or through the use of worse weapons.

At no time up to and including that point occuring, will the West or NATO intervene directly. Even after we will sit back and wait to see where Russia goes next

The west/NATO will up to a point, continue to throw weapons and money at Ukraine, untill it is obvious Ukraine will fall, then the influx of help will dry up pretty rapidly.

NATO will defend their member states, should any be directly attacked (massively unlikely) but they will never go into Ukraine as they are not allowed to.
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However in the past there has been a limit on how much human suffering the west will tolerate. Admittedly not when Russia was directly to blame. If they started mass ethnic cleansing would that be tolerated?
 
chaparral said:
What the chances of russia winning this as surely russia is hugely out numbered in this
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Hopefully none, but Russia has pretty much unlimited man power vs Ukraine, despite their mechanical losses. I guess it depends at what point Russia decide to negotiate and what the outcome of that is - I doubt it will allow any kind of western input into Ukraine. Surely Russia must know that they could never hold onto Ukraine, the moment their troops leave they’ll lose the country.

chaparral said:
Out of Ukraine 44 million Population how many of them do you guys think is willing to fight the russians ?
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Now that’s the million dollar question - not only that, but those who can, how effective will they actually be.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Don't be coming in here with facts that go against the xenophobic rhetoric. You're post will be completely ignored by those posters.
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The facts are that the majority of recent refugees have been fighting age men. This is EU own figures.

The majority of Ukrainian refugees will be women, children and the infirm.
 
Geodude97AD said:
You seem surprised, if you look at politics in the UK its hard to find a sound political voice that appeals to those who like you said crave leadership. It is why they looked to people like Putin, Trump and so on.
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More saddened/concerned. The same people like to claim they are worried their freedoms/way of life are being infringed yet crave authoritarian leaders who would remove those freedoms in a heartbeat.
 
Slam62 said:
However in the past there has been a limit on how much human suffering the west will tolerate. Admittedly not when Russia was directly to blame. If they started mass ethnic cleansing would that be tolerated?
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It was tolerated it in the balkans so why wouldn't it be tolerated now? Its a war crime for sure but no-ones going to start WW3 over it.
 
Old news, still: It seems that not all the available fighters from Syria are pro-putin. Fighters from Syria are joining to fight for Ukraine. Not sure if all the talk bringing Syrian fighters to Ukraine is just smoke from Putins side? It is clear he is not using just mercs.

March 4, 2022
Syria: Has the Recruitment of Syrian Fighters Towards Ukraine Begun?
https://stj-sy.org/en/syria-has-the-recruitment-of-syrian-fighters-towards-ukraine-begun/


Monitoring individual initiatives, STJ documented that a fighter within the al-Hamza/al-Hamzat Division, known as Suhail Abu Tow/Suhail al-Hamoud posted several tweets in English on 25 February 2022. He was asking for available routes to Ukraine, to fight next to the Ukrainian forces against the Russian army.
 
Jono8 said:
Are some Russian politicians a bit deluded? Apparently one stood up and said that Russia may as well continue beyond Ukraine etc.

Like with what army? If they have struggled and lost this much against Ukraine, they have no hope against a tougher foe/NATO.
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How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?
 
Slam62 said:
However in the past there has been a limit on how much human suffering the west will tolerate. Admittedly not when Russia was directly to blame. If they started mass ethnic cleansing would that be tolerated?
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At what point in your scenario does Russia stop having an obscene number of nuclear weapons.

The agreements of who is in a defence treaty with who are rock solid as long as the stakes are nuclear war. Putin will respect that to the letter and so will NATO.

If Russia magically lost its nuclear weapons Russia's military would be obliterated by Nato forces with the ink still wet on the legal excuse invented 5 seconds earlier.
 
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