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Plenty of people have been advocating that we should come to some kind of “rapprochement” with the Taliban in the interests of the Afghan people given that they’re clearly backs to stay as the Afghan Government.

While I sort of agree from a humanitarian point of view I’m not sure what good arming them does, its not as if they’re about to go after China, Russia or Iran for us?
Even if they were to go after them for us I think arming them is still a bad idea.

This is the first I've heard of the rapprochement, depending on what people try to achieve with it, it could be a very good idea.
 
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No it wasn't, but things can be done to encourage it. £350 is a very low sum.

Well the other day you were arguing they shouldn't be needing or wanting to come here anyway because they were already in a safe country. Now you're saying theres not enough being done to encourage or facilitate them coming?

I get the feeling you just like to be argumentative ;)
 
I don't doubt that, but since they just see their popularity rise in the polls every time they've stuck it to foreigners or the poor in the past, you can see why :p

Oh yeah. That element is depressing. But the vitriol towards immigrants in newspapers I just don't believe is echoed in the general population. The Tories have swallowed their own propaganda though and have just assumed nobody would be willing to take in a refugee. Proof either way will come in the next few days depending on take up I guess. As a champagne socialist, and a remainer I should put my money where my mouth is.
 
It really isn't. £350 a month will more than cover energy and food costs for that person and you get the satisfaction of helping someone flee from a war zone and doing some good in the world.

We really have become a materialistic generation haven't we.
We've live for 12 years with a party in power who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, what would you expect?
 
Is the £350 per refugee?

On the news the people being interviewed about opening their homes keep saying they'll take a refugee (singular) but surely most will be families / women and children.
 
Is the £350 per refugee?

On the news the people being interviewed about opening their homes keep saying they'll take a refugee (singular) but surely most will be families / women and children.

Per room i believe and yes, it will all be women, children or old pensioners 60+ men.
 
It really isn't. £350 a month will more than cover energy and food costs for that person and you get the satisfaction of helping someone flee from a war zone and doing some good in the world.

We really have become a materialistic generation haven't we.

For a single person maybe, remember some are coming in groups, like families that want to stay together, you think £350 is enough to host a family of 3 or more or even 2. Come on really think about it. One person maybe and then you help too, but anything more is taking the micky for the host and the government should up it by the amount of people, not a one off payment no matter how many you take in or how many rooms or a full property you have free.

£350 is a joke, and even the kind hearted people will realise this soon and why they are told you can take them but for a guaranteed 6 months only.. What if the host decides they can't afford having them there ? the 6 month trap may have legal consequences and forcing the host to keep them there no matter what. This is not how it should be done, they need to help the host with bills and extra costs too. It's a disgrace.. They need to do more really and all these kind hearted people will suffer in time too with the financial burden maybe. I'm not seeing rich people step up, I'm seeing normal people in normal homes that most are struggling with their bills.
 
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Are there really groups that extreme in the UK? America sure, but I don't think there are many Neo Nazi groups here, they'd be much more low key anyway

National Action was the largest single specific Neo Nazi group (rather than just your run of the mill right wing fascists) until they were proscribed a terrorist group in 2016

Their members then splintered into two or three separate groups, mainly Scottish Dawn and National Socialist Anti-Capitalist Action (NS131). They were then proscribed so the System Resistance Network (SRN) emerged, followed by the Sonnenkrieg Division who went on to affiliate with the US Atomwaffen.

This is why our intelligence services have been warning that right wing fascism has been the fastest growing threat, which the usual suspects have been trying to hand wave away saying "But Islamic terrorism is worse"..
Like you can't recognise both are a serious problem.
 
Per room i believe and yes, it will all be women, children or old pensioners 60+ men.

Is the £350 per refugee?

On the news the people being interviewed about opening their homes keep saying they'll take a refugee (singular) but surely most will be families / women and children.



For a room in a shared property for hosting a person or family, if empty property with many rooms, it is only £350 for the whole property and same applies to shared homes with many rooms available it is only a one off payment per address of £350 no matter how many you take and how many rooms you have.
 
Well the other day you were arguing they shouldn't be needing or wanting to come here anyway because they were already in a safe country. Now you're saying theres not enough being done to encourage or facilitate them coming?

I get the feeling you just like to be argumentative ;)

I get the feeling that if people come here, which there should be no immediate need for, then incentive should be provided to people to ensure we can house them.
Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you can't prepare for it
 
For a room in a shared property for hosting a person or family, if empty property with many rooms, it is only £350 for the whole property and same applies to shared homes with many rooms available it is only a one off payment per address of £350 no matter how many you take and how many rooms you have.

Which is probably why councils are getting £10k per refugee to do with as they please and the adults will be allowed to find work as well.
 
Which is probably why councils are getting £10k per refugee to do with as they please and the adults will be allowed to find work as well.

well we don't know how they will spend this £10k figure they pulled out of the air .. it won't be going to people hosting but to council spending on the refugees, schools, local GP's etc etc, until the refugee can claim benefits, now remember most are kids alone or orphaned how will they go claim benefits and then parents that have come with them may need to stay home and look after them so again how can they work ?
 
I think what people are getting at, is there is a large number of affluent people in the country with spare rooms who would have accepted a refugee for 6 months regardless of any financial contribution from the government. My wife and myself were discussing this (we don't have kids, can afford it etc.) before the mention of £350 per month. I think the government has actually misjudged the kindness of the UK population. I doubt the incentive was needed.

I would totally do it if I wasn't renting, I have a spare room and £350 would easily cover costs, a refugee doesn't eat £350 of food in a month and run bitcoin mining rigs. My food and utility costs only total £200 a month.
 
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