Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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According to my twitter source he's signed a decree.

As I said he's got no choice, it's that or have literally a handful of planes flying.
 
Maybe this is for those of a certain age…but haven’t we forgotten the rumours of the destruction China maybe capable of?

I’m of course referring to their ability to unleash a tidal wave by all jumping off chairs at the same time.
 
Washout said:
Woah there tiger, we’ve jumped from stealing planes to full on extinction event.
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I wont calm down! Nuclear annihilation it is!

Jokes aside stealing 500 planes would imply Russia is not expecting sanctions to be eased, which means prolonged war with Ukraine, militarisation of Russia-NATO borders, completely breakdown of diplomacy and then eventually over long term a small misunderstanding can escalate into a MAD. Hmm maybe I do need to calm down there.
 
Nerusy said:
I wont calm down! Nuclear annihilation it is!

Jokes aside stealing 500 planes would imply Russia is not expecting sanctions to be eased, which means prolonged war with Ukraine, militarisation of Russia-NATO borders, completely breakdown of diplomacy and then eventually over long term a small misunderstanding can escalate into a MAD. Hmm maybe I do need to calm down there.
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Russia is going to take decades to recover from this if it ever does.
 
Nerusy said:
I wont calm down! Nuclear annihilation it is!

Jokes aside stealing 500 planes would imply Russia is not expecting sanctions to be eased, which means prolonged war with Ukraine, militarisation of Russia-NATO borders, completely breakdown of diplomacy and then eventually over long term a small misunderstanding can escalate into a MAD. Hmm maybe I do need to calm down there.
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It’s a beaurocratic move so he can keep them flying “legally” without committing TWOC, driving without an MOT and driving without insurance ;)

eta why bother? They still want to fly to (and over) Turkey, Dubai, China etc.
 
Lysander said:
Exactly, I choose not to. Certainly not for £350. That'll be gone in a week on extra food, maybe clothes and provisions, maybe they need a new phone, maybe they beg you to send some money home. Who knows. And then good luck trying to remove them from your property. Or wait till you come back from work and they've disappeared along with a chunk of your valuables. Fun.
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Jesus, I didn't realise Tommy Robinson was on this forum.
 
Slam62 said:
According to my twitter source he's signed a decree.

As I said he's got no choice, it's that or have literally a handful of planes flying.
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It's not going to make any real difference over more than a few weeks/months

Aircraft require regular parts and servicing, potentially all that happens if you nationalise the aircraft is that you get another few hundred that might be able to run for a few weeks each before they're in need of servicing with parts that you don't have access to.
I mean you can cannibalise them to keep an ever decreasing number going, but it's not a solution and if you nationalise them you basically guarantee you'll never be able to buy anything from the manufacturer (or anyone else in the industry) again without paying up front, which even the biggest, most profitable operators tend not to do as a single airframe routinely costs in the hundreds of millions.
 
Minusorange said:
I guess it's plausible that both the US & Russia have stronger bombs than this but they're untested if they do
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They've gone the other way with lots of smaller but vastly more accurate missiles with multiple warheads (MIRV's) at around 50-300ktn although they do keep some "city-killer" SS-18's at upto 25Mtn). Then the subs have numerous small warheads (<300ktn) and then plane launched missiles rather than unguided mavity bombs, although they still retain some of those but again they're far smaller, usually <100ktn.

arknor said:
The bomb tests they do on modern carriers are probably about the same size warhead though, I'd imagine
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The nuke tests were around 23ktn, or 23,000 tons of explosive, the Carrier test is only around 20 tons of explosive (40,000 pounds) or just 1/1000th of the size of the nuke tests.
 
Werewolf said:
It's not going to make any real difference over more than a few weeks/months

Aircraft require regular parts and servicing, potentially all that happens if you nationalise the aircraft is that you get another few hundred that might be able to run for a few weeks each before they're in need of servicing with parts that you don't have access to.
I mean you can cannibalise them to keep an ever decreasing number going, but it's not a solution and if you nationalise them you basically guarantee you'll never be able to buy anything from the manufacturer (or anyone else in the industry) again without paying up front, which even the biggest, most profitable operators tend not to do as a single airframe routinely costs in the hundreds of millions.
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Engines will need servicing prior to letter checks on the airframes. China can do most of the easy ones, but the larger airframes will essentially be flying out of bands.

Which will be good for GE/R-R as it is basically free stress testing in real world circumstances :rolleyes::o:D
 
Sycho said:
Wouldn't surprise me if USA nukes are far far stronger than Russia's, there is a reason they do not show or brag about them.
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The most powerful bomb detonated by the USA was the Castle Bravo test which yielded the equivalent of 15 millions tons (Mt) of high explosive. The USSR exploded 4 bombs more powerful than this. The most powerful of which was the Tsar Bomb yielding 50Mt.

"Strength" as you call it is a bit of a red herring. All sides have found it far more effective to mount a number of smaller nuclear warheads on a single missile than a single giant one. These have yields ranging from 0.01 - 0.5Mt. For example, the warheads of the UK's Trident II nuclear weapons have an adjustable yield from 0.01 - 0.1Mt and each missile can carry up to 14 warheads.

arknor said:
On the subject of Nukes I found this video quite interesting
German engineering :O

The bomb tests they do on modern carriers are probably about the same size warhead though, I'd imagine
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You'll be surprised to hear you're off by a factor of around 1,000! The shock trials on the USS Gerald R. Ford were 18 tons of high explosive. The nuclear bomb in your vid depicting Operation Crossroads was 23,000 tons high explosive equivalent.
 
*US Treasury Official: If Russia Defaults on Its Sovereign Bonds, It Will Be Difficult for the Country to Find New Lenders, Raising Borrowing Prices and Draining Resources.
*US Treasury Official Sees Limited Direct Exposure to Russian National Bonds in the US Banking System.
*US Treasury Official: Russian Bond Prices Are Decreasing, Indicating That Investors Believe There Is a Significant Risk of Default and Are Planning for Alternate Payment Scenarios.
*US Treasury Official: A Default on Russian Government Bonds Would Have a Major Impact on the Russian Economy.
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1503491984580825089
https://twitter.com/ForexLive/status/1503489998947069957

*UK’s Ministry of Defence: We Have Found No Evidence to Back Up Russian Claims That Ukraine Is Planning to Use Chemical and Biological Weapons.
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1503489559509798912
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ianh said:
They've gone the other way with lots of smaller but vastly more accurate missiles with multiple warheads (MIRV's) at around 50-300ktn although they do keep some "city-killer" SS-18's at upto 25Mtn). Then the subs have numerous small warheads (<300ktn) and then plane launched missiles rather than unguided mavity bombs, although they still retain some of those but again they're far smaller, usually <100ktn.
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As far as we know! :D


Interesting thread on game theory and why our approach to play it softly and not actually risk escalation is exactly why it probably will escalate in the future
 
did Russia even do anything in Syria apart from air support and AA to stop America bombing stuff?

I'd hardly call it putins war, it was just propping up a dictator
 
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