Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chuk_Chuk said:
The big unknowns are the states of these other titanium manufacturers and if they have the necessary capacity.
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That's the fun part - additionally russia can't manufacture the final product without specific mined elements too. They can do this through China's trade into Africa.

Recently France pulled its troops back from Malawi after battling Russian-backed mercenaries as an example. This has gone on for other resource rich states.
 
2-7hrs ago:
*China’s Foreign Ministry: On March 17th, a Chinese Foreign Ministry Official Met with Russia’s Ambassador to China to Discuss Bilateral Counter-Terrorism and Security Cooperation.
*White House: Biden Is to Speak with China’s President Xi at 13:00 GMT.
*BOJ: There Is a Great Deal of Uncertainty About How the Situation in Ukraine Will Affect Japan’s Economy, Market Prices, Raw Material Prices, and Overseas Economies.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-president-biden-speak-with-chinas-xi-1300-gmt-2022-03-18/

*President of Ukraine Zelensky Nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize
*Ukraine: Explosions Heard in Western Ukraine’s Lviv City
*Blasts Heard in Ukrainian City of Lviv – Ukraine 24 TV

1-2 hrs ago:
*Interfax Cites a Separatist Leader in the Donetsk People’s Republic: Russia Has Established a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine’s Donbass Region.
*Explosion Heard, Smoke Seen in Northern Part of Kyiv – Rtrs
*Eastbound Gas Flows via Yamal-Europe Pipeline from Germany to Poland Have Declined – Gascade Data

Past 1hr:
*The Russian Defence Ministry Claims Control of Almost 90% of the Self-Proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic – IFAX.
*German Economy Minister Habeck: It Is Critical to Minimise Germany’s Gas Use.
*Germany’s Foreign Minister Baerbock: A New China Strategy Will Be Developed in the Coming Months.
*Germany’s Foreign Minister Baerbock: Supply Shortfalls Due to War in Ukraine Will Be Severe
*Norway PM Says Government Plans to Boost Defence and Security Spending This Year by Nok 3.5 Bln Due to Ukraine War
*No Meeting of US Secretary of State Blinken in Riyadh Has Been Scheduled – Saudi Foreign Ministry Official
*Saudi Arabia Anticipates Hosting US Secretary of State Blinken in the Near Future to Bolster Current Good Conversations, According to a Ministry Official.
*French Govt Spokesman Attal: President Macron Will Again Speak with Russia’s President Putin Soon.
*Russia Sovereign Eurobond Coupon Payments Due on Wednesday Have Been Executed – Source Familiar with the Situation
*IEA Executive Director Birol: Emergency Oil Markets Could Get Worse.
*IEA: Reducing Oil Demand Does Not Depend Only on Governments but Also Citizens and Corporations – Measures Include Lower Speed Limits, Working from Home, More Public Transport and Urban Car-Free Days – Measures Can Quickly Cut Oil Demand by 2.7 Mln B

*Zelenskiy’s Aide, Zhovkva: Ukraine-Russia Talks Are Progressing Only Slowly
*Zelenskiy’s Aide, Zhovkva: Won’t Negotiate an ‘Inch’ of Ukrainian Territory
*Zelenskiy’s Aide, Zhovkva: Ukraine-EU Membership Talks Should and Can Start Immediately.
*Zelenskiy’s Aide, Zhovkva: China’s Role in the Ukraine War Crucial.
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504741879140737024

*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Sanctions Make Us Stronger
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: We Have Lost Any Illusion That We Can Ever Rely on the West
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: We Will Survive Sanctions.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The Country’s Economy Will Be Adjusted to the Sanctions.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The United States Wants the World to Look like an American Saloon Where the Americans Call All the Shots
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: We Are Not Closing the Door to the West – They Are Closing the Door.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Our Goal Is to Remove Any Threat to Russia from Ukrainian Soil.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Any Weapons Cargo to Ukraine Is Fair Game for Russia.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Russia Is a Small Player in the Global Information War – The US, Britain and Europeans Dominate.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: There Is No Such Thing as Independent Western Media
*Russia’s Foreign Minister Lavrov: Denies Bild Report That His Plane Had Turned Around on Way to China
https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1504744191443750912

*Poland’s PM Morawiecki: Poland to Try and ‘De-Russify’ Economy
*Poland’s PM Morawiecki: We Will Build New Gas Pipelines.
~Good morning :)
 
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Putin is getting desperate, he is now using Turkey to negotiate a deal.

Only problem is he wants to keep all the disputed territories. This would be a bitter pill to swallow.

How long can Putin keep control at home, it's a race against Ukrain having no choice or Putin being overthrown.

All the experts (haha) are saying Russia are stuck in place, getting hammered if they move, can they really stay with no real support now?

What way will it go, is it worth the gamble fo Ukrain?
 
Quick question - and whilst I am convinced that Putin is deranged and has some strange agenda, is Ukraine and its politicians totally innocent? I'm not seeking conspiracy theories, but all of this harps back to 2014 right when the then Ukrainian president didn't want to join Europe? This cause civil unrest, the president was booted and Russian annexed Crimea. Then the country was split with pro-Russians and so on (didn't they shoot down a passenger plane?), and sanctions against Russia (deja vu?! :D) and so on, but the area is steeped in history about Russia "owning" Ukraine and losing its grip on it again and again.

However, is it purely a megalomaniac's ego (Putin pushing a Russian empire revival. And probably holds the view that Ukraine is a part of Russia and that it's a victim of Western "antagonism")? Or is there actually something less obvious happening as well? It's got to be more than just being part of Europe / NATO ? Or is it really that simple?

It just feels like Ukraine is the Europe / Russian punching bag, to skirt around the issues that no one wants to talk about - or perhaps I'm just looking for something that isn't there.

Apologies for the ignorant question, but I was pondering this on my commute this morning and I didn't know what the answer was.
 
*Putin and Scholz Discussed Ukraine- IFAX
*Putin Told Scholz That Kyiv Was Trying to Slow Down Ukraine Peace Talks – TASS
*Putin Told Scholz Kyiv Is Making Unrealistic Proposals – RIA
*Putin: Russia Is Ready to Continue Discussions with Ukraine.
*Putin Told Scholz: Russia Is Ready to Find Solutions in Accordance with Its Main Strategy – RIA.
*Kremlin: Russian Delegation to Ukraine Peace Talks Has Expressed Readiness to Work Much Faster than Currently.
*Kremlin: Biden’s Daily Characterisations of Putin Amount to Personal Insults
*Kremlin: Suggests Biden’s Statements Are Fuelled by Irritation, Fatigue and Forgetfulness
*Kremlin: Putin Planned to Call French President Macron on Friday.
*Kremlin: Claims That the Ukrainian Delegation Has Not Demonstrated a Similar Willingness to Expedite Talks, but Talks Are Still Ongoing.
*Kremlin: Central Bank Is Responsible for Macroeconomic Stability, Putin Regularly Speaks to Nabiullina
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-tells-scholz-that-kyiv-is-stalling-peace-talks-with-moscow-2022-03-18/
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-accuses-ukraine-trying-drag-out-peace-talks-2022-03-18/
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504751525335375873
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504751687428460563
https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1504758465591496719
https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1504753941443190784 - 'West turns blind eye to rocket attack by Kiev in Donetsk thus ignoring war crimes, Putin told Scholz'

*U.S., EU Officials Began Planning Russian Sanctions Campaign in November, Officials Say -- WSJ
- In February, Officials Learned Russia Central Bank Sought to Move Reserves Out of West
- Intelligence Prompted Dash to Freeze Russian Central Bank Assets Held Abroad, Sources Say
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/ho...ussia-off-from-the-global-economy-11647595980
 
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Freefaller said:
Apologies for the ignorant question, but I was pondering this on my commute this morning and I didn't know what the answer was.
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Whatever you are looking for or find it will not justify the invasion unless we've been blinkered to a Ukraine attack on official Russian soil. Not even the Russians have claimed that (note my use of official).
 
CapitalOne said:
Whatever you are looking for or find it will not justify the invasion unless we've been blinkered to a Ukraine attack on official Russian soil. Not even the Russians have claimed that (note my use of official).
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That's fair, I'm not trying to find justification at all, I have a few links to Ukraine (one of my uni friends is currently there (still alive) fighting), so I'm very much on Ukraine's side - I was just curious if there was more to it than what we're seeing.
 
0007 said:
*Poland’s PM Morawiecki: Poland to Try and ‘De-Russify’ Economy
*Poland’s PM Morawiecki: We Will Build New Gas Pipelines.
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*Poland’s PM Morawiecki: We Are Waiting for a Brave Decision from European Commission to Ban Russian Coal Imports – RTRS
*Poland’s PM Morawiecki: At the Upcoming NATO Summit, Poland Will Formally Present a Proposal for a Peacekeeping Operation in Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...eping-mission-nato-summit-says-pm-2022-03-18/

*Germany’s Gesamtmetall Union: Impact of Embargo on Russian Energy and Raw Materials Would Be Dramatic for Metals and Electrical Industries
*Germany’s Gesamtmetall Union: Industry Is Already Threatened by Cost Explosion and Another Year of Recession
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/german-metal-electrical-industry-says-095052974.html
 
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*Putin and Scholz Discussed Ukraine- IFAX
*Putin Told Scholz That Kyiv Was Trying to Slow Down Ukraine Peace Talks – TASS
*Putin Told Scholz Kyiv Is Making Unrealistic Proposals – RIA
*Putin: Russia Is Ready to Continue Discussions with Ukraine.
*Putin Told Scholz: Russia Is Ready to Find Solutions in Accordance with Its Main Strategy – RIA.
*Kremlin: Russian Delegation to Ukraine Peace Talks Has Expressed Readiness to Work Much Faster than Currently.
*Kremlin: Putin Planned to Call French President Macron on Friday.
*Kremlin: Claims That the Ukrainian Delegation Has Not Demonstrated a Similar Willingness to Expedite Talks, but Talks Are Still Ongoing.
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504751525335375873
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504751687428460563

*U.S., EU Officials Began Planning Russian Sanctions Campaign in November, Officials Say -- WSJ
- In February, Officials Learned Russia Central Bank Sought to Move Reserves Out of West
- Intelligence Prompted Dash to Freeze Russian Central Bank Assets Held Abroad, Sources Say
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/ho...ussia-off-from-the-global-economy-11647595980

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Putin "we're ready to quickly talk about your surrender".

It looks like China has said to Putin - make a deal, cut your losses, remain in power and fight another day as the state is now in lockdown.

Meanwhile Ukraine, the russia invaded buffer country, is simply asking that Russia abide by it's agreement to honour the sovereign status and get out of Ukraine. I suspect the west will ask the Ukrainian government as part of the EU to clamp down on neo-nazi groups as part of EU law.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see this has been planned for a long time.
 
0007 said:
*Putin and Scholz Discussed Ukraine- IFAX
*Putin Told Scholz That Kyiv Was Trying to Slow Down Ukraine Peace Talks – TASS
*Putin Told Scholz Kyiv Is Making Unrealistic Proposals – RIA
*Putin: Russia Is Ready to Continue Discussions with Ukraine.
*Putin Told Scholz: Russia Is Ready to Find Solutions in Accordance with Its Main Strategy – RIA.
*Kremlin: Russian Delegation to Ukraine Peace Talks Has Expressed Readiness to Work Much Faster than Currently.
*Kremlin: Biden’s Daily Characterisations of Putin Amount to Personal Insults
*Kremlin: Suggests Biden’s Statements Are Fuelled by Irritation, Fatigue and Forgetfulness
*Kremlin: Putin Planned to Call French President Macron on Friday.
*Kremlin: Claims That the Ukrainian Delegation Has Not Demonstrated a Similar Willingness to Expedite Talks, but Talks Are Still Ongoing.
*Kremlin: Central Bank Is Responsible for Macroeconomic Stability, Putin Regularly Speaks to Nabiullina
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*Kremlin: It’s Not Up to German Chancellor to Decide Who Should Lead Russia but Up to Russian People – RTRS
*German Chancellor Scholz Called In Call with Russia’s Putin for Ceasefire in Ukraine, Improvement in Humanitarian Conditions and Progress Towards a Diplomatic Solution – Govt Statement
https://twitter.com/tomescritt/status/1504753152637259800
https://twitter.com/RegSprecher/status/1504758487640944640

*World Food Programme Official Says Ukraine’s Food Supply Chain Is ‘Falling Apart’
*U.N. Refugee Agency Official Says Humanitarian Needs in Ukraine Are Increasing ‘Exponentially’
*Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Kuleba: I Discussed the Preparation of the EU’s Fifth Sanctions Package Against Russia with Borrell.
 
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NickK said:
Putin "we're ready to quickly talk about your surrender".

It looks like China has said to Putin - make a deal, cut your losses, remain in power and fight another day as the state is now in lockdown.

Meanwhile Ukraine, the russia invaded buffer country, is simply asking that Russia abide by it's agreement to honour the sovereign status and get out of Ukraine. I suspect the west will ask the Ukrainian government as part of the EU to clamp down on neo-nazi groups as part of EU law.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see this has been planned for a long time.
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What does this mean ?

"I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see this has been planned for a long time." ?

Which part has been planned?

World leaders sat down together and say " Putin, I want you to make up a reason and invade Ukraine, kill women and Children". "China, I want you to do nothing". "Europe, we want you to stand by outside. "Ukraine, you can join EU after".

I am confused, how does one plan a failure of an invasion and large economic sanction? Just for Ukraine to join EU?
 
0007 said:
*Kremlin: It’s Not Up to German Chancellor to Decide Who Should Lead Russia but Up to Russian People – RTRS
*German Chancellor Scholz Called In Call with Russia’s Putin for Ceasefire in Ukraine, Improvement in Humanitarian Conditions and Progress Towards a Diplomatic Solution – Govt Statement
https://twitter.com/tomescritt/status/1504753152637259800
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I think it's probably an easy sell headline to say that the evil German dictators are invading russia again. Both to antagonise the germans to add to their misery - thus feeling they aren't part of the EU and playing mind games.
 
Raymond Lin said:
What does this mean ?

"I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see this has been planned for a long time." ?

Which part has been planned?

World leaders sat down together and say " Putin, I want you to make up a reason and invade Ukraine, kill women and Children". "China, I want you to do nothing". "Europe, we want you to stand by outside. "Ukraine, you can join EU after".

I am confused, how does one plan a failure of an invasion and large economic sanction? Just for Ukraine to join EU?
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Gotcha. I meant the plan in hardliner's heads since the original end-of-coldwar agreements was to reintegrate - by puppet or by force. Since Yeltsin lost and Putin took-over that hardline plan was put into motion. I don't think the execution of the plan went to plan for sure!

I think elements of that plan dovetailed the plans of China etc although there are points of obvious conflict - such as Russia providing/partnering technology for defence that then can be used against China in the conflicted regions.
 
So other than some minor land grabs, which is seems like Ukraine refuses to give up, what has Russia actually gained out of this conflict?

- Return of the Soviet style of rule.
- Ability to further push the state held narrative at home.
- Compliance of the population.
- Broken away from the West and the ideals we hold.
- Some military experience, might learn from the mistakes for future conflict.
- What else?

The losses are just immeasurable (off the top of my head):
- Lost credibility as a superpower.
- Military is exposed as an underinvested, badly trained and equipped embarrassment.
- Loss of countless troops / equipment, tactics exposed for the west to review.
- Brain drain, load who can are leaving.
- Massive financial / business withdrawal from the country (current / future investment).
- Economy in tatters, loads of money held abroad, cut off from the world banking system.
- Credit rating is worse than junk.
- Diplomatic relationships shot, seen as a pariah state.
- Load of countries now seeking energy independence and turning away from Russia as a provider, which makes Russia's political clout less effective in the future.
- Galvanised NATO, massive future investment.
- EU have come together, cut red tape and actually doing things quickly.
- Exposed those around the world who are willing to stand up to what is right (most countries).
- The idea of making masses of lands into neutral spaces seems to have failed.
- More countries to push for NATO membership.
- NATO borders and weapon systems will now be closer to Russia.
- Everyone now sees through Russia's lies.

Could this have gone any worse?

Honestly if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons as a threat they would have been rolled even harder in Ukraine, good lesson never to give up our deterrent!
 
Firestar_3x said:
So other than some minor land grabs, which is seems like Ukraine refuses to give up, what has Russia actually gained out of this conflict?

- Return of the Soviet style of rule.
- Ability to further push the state held narrative at home.
- Compliance of the population.
- Broken away from the West and the ideals we hold.
- What else?

The losses are just immeasurable (off the top of my head):
- Lost credibility as a superpower.
- Military is exposed as an underinvested, badly trained and equipped embarrassment.
- Loss of countless men / troops / equipment.
- Brain drain, load who can are leaving.
- Massive withdrawal from the country (current / future investment).
- Economy in tatters, loads of money held abroad, cut off from the world banking system.
- Credit rating is worse than junk.
- Diplomatic relationships shot, seen as a pariah state.
- Load of countries now seeking energy independence and turning away from Russia as a provider, which makes Russia's political clout less effective in the future.
- Galvanised NATO, massive future investment.
- EU have come together, cut red tape and actually doing things quickly.
- Exposed those around the world who are willing to stand up to what is right (most countries).
- The idea of making masses of lands into Neutral spaces seems to have failed.
- More countries to push for NATO membership.
- NATO borders and weapon systems will now be closer to Russia.
- Everyone now sees through Russia's lies.

Could this have gone any worse?

Honestly if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons as a threat they would have been rolled even harder in Ukraine, good lesson never to give up our deterrent!
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You could argue that Putin remade NATO a demon he can pitch a fight at. To give the corrupt oppressive regime a reason for being and keeping children safe at night (the irony is not lost on me) from the evil behind the iron curtain. Sacrifice of Russia to protect the Iron Curtain.
 
it will get worse for Putin at home too.

When the Russian soldiers go home they will tell their family and friends what really happened and it will spread like wildfire, no victory parade just the truth.

He can hide it with fake news broadcasts but he can't hide it straight from the horses mouth.
 
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