Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
Given his recent speeches Putin has gone full tyrant with some shades of fascism - you, I, Ukrainians who don't embrace Russia, Russians who don't embrace his grand vision are all a lower class, to come to a compromise agreement with a lower class for Putin would be humiliating - any agreement made would be sooner or later for the benefit of Putin. Hence I don't think he is interested in an off-ramp or saving face as some would suggest and no diplomatic solution as you said would be worth anything.
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He's done and needs ousting. No way forward now he's regressing to Jong-Un like mentalities.
 
As expected, increasingly lethal weapons being used including hypersonic missiles. When will first nuke be used?
With all the willingness from even the West to find a peaceful solution, but less so from Russia (just playing the diplomacy game IMO), it seems like no way back for Russia. Whatever the agreement is that ends the war, the world has changed, and Russia are not going to be given their place in the world back anytime soon. Sanctions until Putin is gone at minimum.
 
Clearcut said:
Sorry, who was narrow minded in that story? Did I miss the bit where his wife refused to go with her?
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I meant people are narrow minded and somehow manage to blame random citizens of say Russia or china for mistakes or doings of their government. Which is why the Russian lady didn’t want to tell them she’s Russian and why many Chinese etc got attacked racially etc when covid kicked off.
 
DarrenM343 said:
As expected, increasingly lethal weapons being used including hypersonic missiles. When will first nuke be used?
With all the willingness from even the West to find a peaceful solution, but less so from Russia (just playing the diplomacy game IMO), it seems like no way back for Russia. Whatever the agreement is that ends the war, the world has changed, and Russia are not going to be given their place in the world back anytime soon. Sanctions until Putin is gone at minimum.
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i think they used hypersonic missiles to attack an underground warehouse full of expensive stuff. I hope that failed or that is a real blow to ukraine
 
4-12hrs ago:

*EU Officials Are Mulling Using Sanctioned Russian Assets for Ukraine, These Talks Are in the Early Stages. – People Familiar with the Matter.
*Economic Advisor to Ukraine’s Pres.: Everyday, Ukraine Faces More Destroyed Assets.
*Al Jazeera Tweets: Koliba During His Contact with Blinken, Says the Best Way to Stop Russia’s Attacks Is to *Strengthen Ukraine’s Defences and Increase Pressure on Moscow.
*Ukraine President Zelenskiy Says Talks with Moscow Are the Only Chance for Russia to Limit the Damage from Its Mistakes
'The Month Companies United Against Russia’s War' -- WSJ
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-using-sanctioned-russians-assets-for-ukraine
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-war-ukraine-business-sanctions-11647647580

Past 3hrs:

*Ukraine President Zelenskiy: ‘It’s Time to Meet. Time to Talk’; Otherwise, Russia’s Losses Will Be So Huge That Several Generations Will Not Be Enough to Rebound
*British Foreign Secretary to the Times: Sanctions Against Russia’s Wealthy Elite Will Never Be Lifted
*Russian Ministry of Defense Confirms the Use of Hypersonic Missiles for the First Time to Destroy Ukraine’s Underground Ammunition
*Norwegian Prime Minister: 4 U.S Marines Killed in Plane Crash During NATO Training
*Roscosmos Head Rogozin: U.S Is Considering Disconnecting Russia from GPS
*Roscosmos Head Rogozin: Russia Will Not Supply the U.S with Rd-180 Rocket Engines; Now It Will Be Used in the New Soyuz-6 Rocket
*Sirens Sound in Ukrainian City of Lviv
*Russia Says It Used Hypersonic ‘Kinzhal’ Missiles for First Time
*North America vulnerable to Russian and Chinese hypersonic weapons: NORAD commander
*S&P Global Winding Down Operations in Russia: DJ
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ed-hypersonic-kinzhal-missiles-for-first-time
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/north...-hypersonic-weapons-norad-commander-1.5825995
~Might be missing some news, my news is sometimes a bit limited on weekends, but this should be most of it.

'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 19 March 2022' ~from 4hrs ago
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https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1505064029232025600

'These are the indicative estimates of Russia’s losses as of March 19, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.' ~from 2hrs ago
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1505095722319982592
 
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StriderX said:
Does anyone else think the EU might opt for a limited sanction of oil/gas in the summer when it's least needed?
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It would be counter-productive if they did, all it would do is push up global prices so Russia makes even more when they sell it elsewhere.
 
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alchal said:
But I guess at least we aren't ourselves actually paying directly to the Putin meat grinder.
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We'd never get to the position of being barraged by artillery in the first place because Russia's air force and armoured corps would be obliterated in any conventional war (obviously not without some pain), but the Kremlin knows that and so can only really threaten a nuclear exchange which they foolishly think they can survive without Russia imploding into hundreds of statelets (like Chechnya).
 
I can understand why we're not wanting a NATO no fly zone. But it feels like we've setup this moral barrier and think we're taking the high ground while a massacre is going on inside Ukraine.

If Hitler had WMD are we saying we wouldn't have gotten involved in WW2?

At some point we need to set a deadline for this and take over the narrative, instead of just letting Putin have this endless war going on

It might be time to at least lay down ground rules for outside of Ukraine i.e. don't attack Moldova, Finland or Sweden.
 
BowdonUK said:
I can understand why we're not wanting a NATO no fly zone. But it feels like we've setup this moral barrier and think we're taking the high ground while a massacre is going on inside Ukraine.

If Hitler had WMD are we saying we wouldn't have gotten involved in WW2?

At some point we need to set a deadline for this and take over the narrative, instead of just letting Putin have this endless war going on

It might be time to at least lay down ground rules for outside of Ukraine i.e. don't attack Moldova, Finland or Sweden.
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Agreed. Just one correction: Hitler had chemical weapons, which are classified as WMD. Fortunately, he did not use them extensively on the battlefield.
 
BowdonUK said:
I can understand why we're not wanting a NATO no fly zone. But it feels like we've setup this moral barrier and think we're taking the high ground while a massacre is going on inside Ukraine.

If Hitler had WMD are we saying we wouldn't have gotten involved in WW2?

At some point we need to set a deadline for this and take over the narrative, instead of just letting Putin have this endless war going on

It might be time to at least lay down ground rules for outside of Ukraine i.e. don't attack Moldova, Finland or Sweden.
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I expect that if Poland do start sending 'peacekeeping' troops to Ukraine like they are planning then it may pave the way for other countries to do the same.

I think the more Russia push west the more nervous other countries are going to start getting and will almost have to commit to stopping the push well before it hits their borders.

You don't get 3 leaders on a train to Ukraine to talk about just sending more equipment.
 
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