Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I don't know much about Sweden. Though I know they sent people to the Yugoslavia war. Finland I know more about as I've a good friend who is an aircraft engineer.

Let's just say that Russia would have a harder time attacking Finland. Let us not forget the winter war.

I think it becomes a question of how far we allow Russia to go in the weapons it uses. For example if Russia set off a nuke in Ukraine would NATO consider it such a threat that it would be forced to react, like a pre-emptive attack on Russia?

At the moment my feeling is that any country that isn't aligned to anyone, and doesn't have nukes, are vulnerable to being attacked, invaded and taken over.

I know this phrase gets over used by certain people. But we really are in a new world order. If you're a country with nukes nobody is going to physically stop you invading a non-nuclear country that isn't in a military alliance.

It's like you mentioned in your post. If Russia did attack Finland would the west do anything? There is no obligation on NATO. But the EU itself has a mutual defensive pact, so other EU countries would get involved. If those countries were also NATO members and they were attacked while carrying out their EU defense duties then would NATO consider it an attack on them?

I think it is a big question for none nuclear countries.. are they prepared to risk a direct nuke attack if they go up against a nuclear country?

I think the EU needs to become more nuclear. This is a bit like the gun debate. The only way to eliminate the gun advantage, like nukes, is if everyone had one.
 
Is vlad mad? Discuss

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60807134

Interesting read, probably not mad but delusional maybe with a temperament which doesn't accept failure.

Not unexpected as he survived 16 years in the KGB and that’s an organisation famous for rewarding failure with a bullet to the back of the head or a one-way trip to the salt mines.
 
At the moment my feeling is that any country that isn't aligned to anyone, and doesn't have nukes, are vulnerable to being attacked, invaded and taken over.

While that is true, it's worth noting that Israel has had nukes since the 1960s, but that didn't stop a coalition of 12 Arab and African nations invading her in 1973.

It's also notable that Israel won that war (against all the odds, as usual) without deploying her nuclear weapons.
 
I can think of few British institutions such as the NHS, the police, fire and ambulance services, immigration services, the DVLA, et cetera, and even the day's government itself where a leader with a temperament that does not accept failure would not be a refreshing and substantial benefit to them.

There is a big difference between having high expectation and standards of success and denying the reality of the situation on the ground.
 
This helps show the difference (Fractional orbital bombardment is technically illegal due to conventions on space weaopons)

A radar at the target will be able to see an ICBM around the planets curve long before a lower altitude hypersonic

Yup, good illustration, but the point was about the speed not the trajectory, in order to get into space in the first place they've got to be "hypersonic".

when Intel/AMD release a new cpu do you say oh look another CPU something that existed since the 70s?

No, but if someone is commenting on a feature it "supposedly" has yet that feature has existed for 60 years then perhaps... "Intel has released a new CPU and it uses transistors, you can supposedly use it to build a computer that doesn't require valves".

Both the US and Russia have had missiles that can go into space for some time now. There is lots of silly hype around some of this stuff that's all.

An ICBM with a trajectory that arcs upwards into space can be seen sooner... but, they also have countermeasures and deploy multiple warheads.
 
Russia even if they take Ukrain is in no position to attack anyone else, not for a long time if ever.

An occupation or puppet goverment of Ukrain will mean the sanctions will never be lifted.

If China or india etc helps then then they will be sanctioned too.

Xi has done a great job of commercialising China and the economy could become the biggest overtaking the USA in a few short years, cant see him jeopordising that, at least not for a country he holds in high regard. (Ukrain)
 
*UK PM Johnson: West Pays About $700M/Day for Oil and Gas, and Putin Uses It to Finance His Aggression Against Ukraine
*UK PM Johnson: We Warn China Against Choosing the Side of Evil
*French Finance Minister: It’s Urgent to Eliminate Reliance on Russian Gas
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1505528990584512516

*Turkish Foreign Minister Cavusoglu: Russia and Ukraine Are Close to Reach an Agreement on Fundamental Topics
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1505528509669818369

*The Result of Western Countries’ Pressure on the Russian Federation Is “Incredible Unity” of Russians – Kirienko – TASS ~translated from russian
https://tass.ru/politika/14127299
 
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*Chinese Foreign Minister: We Reject Any External Pressure or Accusations of China over Its Stance on the Ukraine War
*Chinese Foreign Minister: Beijing Stands on the Right Side of History on Ukraine War

Interesting choice of words.

1. Previously it supports Russia in it's claims but I've not seen any "support the war against.."
2. It doesn't like Boris' demonisation. Biden was more diplomatic stating US's position not that China is evil. China basically telling Boris to shut like the little Russian lapdog he is.
3. It seems to have a reversible statement "stands on the right side of history" given that could be a favourable outcome for Russia, Ukraine or US. Whoever writes the history books in their respective countries..

So China is mirroring the US's Tier 1 100,000ft/50 year view on the conflict.
 
While that is true, it's worth noting that Israel has had nukes since the 1960s, but that didn't stop a coalition of 12 Arab and African nations invading her in 1973.

It's also notable that Israel won that war (against all the odds, as usual) without deploying her nuclear weapons.

Israel's nuclear weapons were low key before that war though - many didn't even believe they had them. They still used the threat of nuclear weapons to win that war however - they did in fact deploy them, putting their strategic forces on alert and ready to go, to force the US to enhance support for them.
 
Israel's nuclear weapons were low key before that war though - many didn't even believe they had them. They still used the threat of nuclear weapons to win that war however - they did in fact deploy them, putting their strategic forces on alert and ready to go, to force the US to enhance support for them.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of this. Can you give me some more details? I'm keen to learn more.
 
Yup, good illustration, but the point was about the speed not the trajectory, in order to get into space in the first place they've got to be "hypersonic".

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Er no. You could walk into space if there was a tall enough staircase so speed has nothing to do with it, all you need do is counteract mavity for long enough. Maybe you are getting confused with 'escape velocity' which is 25,000mph.
 
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