Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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arknor said:
the total amount of anti tank weapons donated so far must be over 10k easy.
we sent 4,000 + USA 4,600

Ukraine claims to have destroyed around 1,300 vehicles.
so they are killing 1 vehicle for every 10 tries?

NYtimes claims

and they still need more including 6000 from the UK
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I'm not going to bother to go into it all but they are defending a huge spread of territory - the current "front lines" or as close as it comes are well over 1000 miles long - and you need to be able to maintain anti-armour capabilities over any point where they might try to breach through with armour and that is just one aspect of why you need a lot of supplies of such hardware.

Look at the full map here to get the extent of it https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-28-summary/

You'll also find a lot of action is skirmishes where each side jostles to see who has the upper hand before often both sides falling back - during which a lot of ammunition will be used to far more limited effect in terms of stuff destroyed.
 
arknor said:
the total amount of anti tank weapons donated so far must be over 10k easy.
we sent 4,000 + USA 4,600

Ukraine claims to have destroyed around 1,300 vehicles.
so they are killing 1 vehicle for every 10 tries?

NYtimes claims

and they still need more including 6000 from the UK


I've seen at least one video where they shot one at an abandoned tank though, I guess it's easy to waste things when you get them for free
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Not all have been used.
Not all are used on vehicles (AT4 for example is frequently used on buildings/positions).
Some will have been captured/destroyed.
Some vehicles will have been hit multiple times.
Some will have been used in training.
 
Sankari said:
So, chemical weapons are the line in the sand for NATO. Let's see how that plays out.
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Biden did caveat that with how we respond will depend on how its used... That could range from a stern finger wag to WW3 however I suspect it would be on the left of that spectrum. I wouldnt expect much more more than stiffening of sanctions.
 
Minusorange said:
Haven't they been activating predetermined orders the whole war though which is partly why they're in the mess they're in because have had zero ability to be flexible in their orders ?
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Touching on your post: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...r-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/

This brought Jed to the second subject he wanted to discuss: Russian tactics and doctrine. He said he had spent much of the past few weeks in the trenches northwest of Kyiv. “The Russians have no imagination,” he said. “They would shell our positions, attack in large formations, and when their assaults failed, do it all over again. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians would raid the Russian lines in small groups night after night, wearing them down.” Jed’s observation echoed a conversation I’d had the day before with Andriy Zagorodnyuk. After Russia’s invasion of the Donbas in 2014, Zagorodnyuk oversaw a number of reforms to the Ukrainian military that are now bearing fruit, chief among them changes in Ukraine’s military doctrine; then, from 2019 to 2020, he served as minister of defense.

Russian doctrine relies on centralized command and control, while mission-style command and control—as the name suggests—relies on the individual initiative of every soldier, from the private to the general, not only to understand the mission but then to use their initiative to adapt to the exigencies of a chaotic and ever-changing battlefield in order to accomplish that mission. Although the Russian military has modernized under Vladimir Putin, it has never embraced the decentralized mission-style command-and-control structure that is the hallmark of NATO militaries, and that the Ukrainians have since adopted.
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It is also why I think China would fair badly in a real war despite their numbers - they are still based around centralised command control and won't allow autonomy - in a real war they'd get picked apart unless they had utterly overwhelming superiority in numbers.
 
Mollari said:
This is huge news.
Means there is no safe place for russians in Ukraine.
This is far beyond front lines and still a ship got destroyed and two other got hit aswell.

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Imagine putting your ships docked being able to be hit and not just that a propoganda video was made two days before of said ship and what it doing LOL.
 
*Exxon Says It’s Fully Complying With All Sanctions

*G7 Leaders’ Statement. – https://www.consilium.europa.eu/de/.../g7-leaders-statement-brussels-24-march-2022/
*G7 Leaders: We Will Work Together to Gather Evidence of War Crimes.
*G7 Leaders: We Are Taking Steps to Reduce Our Reliance on Russian Energy.
*G7 Leaders: We Urge Oil Countries to Up International Deliveries.

*Putin Tends to Act Out, Not Back Down, U.S. Officials Believe
*Putin Stirs U.S. Concern That He Feels Cornered, May Lash Out
https://twitter.com/DailyFXTeam/status/1507082281063788549

'Russians have rushed to stock up on anti-depressants, sleeping pills and contraceptives among other products since the conflict in Ukraine began, data released on Thursday showed, with people buying a month's worth of medicine in just two weeks.' ~from 30mins ago
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...i-depressants-sleeping-pills-data-2022-03-24/
 
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kindai said:
At this rate we wont need to send bullets anymore:


6000 more missiles from the UK (including starstreak, RIP Russian planes).
5000 more from Sweden
2000 more from Germany
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That would be interesting, I don't believe Starstreak has been fired in conflict ever?

It's fancy stuff, fires a cluster of missiles at very high speed to counter close range targets but like NLAW I suspect a desire to finally get some combat value and data is a reason to ship it abroad.

Designed in the 1980's, in use since 1997 and we've not fought anyone with aircraft worth a damn to fire them at.

Even if the Russians yoink one in the back and forth of fighting, they're going to be looking at 40 year old technology, it can't possibly be worth much.
 
Hotwired said:
Even if the Russians yoink one in the back and forth of fighting, they're going to be looking at 40 year old technology, it can't possibly be worth much.
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Yeah Starstreak is outgoing tech now - so won't be of too much concern. Be interesting to see how it fares as on paper it is pretty nasty as you can't easily jam or disrupt it without directly killing or driving off the operator in a short space of time.
 
Rroff said:
Touching on your post: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...r-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/
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That's the first article I've seen discussing actual combat on the ground there, I'd heard plenty reports that it's beyond anything anyone has experienced in other theatres of war but at least that confirms it, seeing the footage of artillery it's hard to imagine what it's actually like on the ground where it's landing, it's probably close to WW1 levels of pyschological torment especially now with lines being static I wonder if we'll start seeing trench warfare again
 
potatolord said:
That's not true, and by a long way.

The GULAG death toll under stalin was around 2 million.
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I thought it was 30-60M, I must have got it mixed up with something else or read it in an old book that's now outdated information.

Anyhow, this is an interesting video covering some of the intercepted conversations between Russian forces.

I'll post a link as there is some foul language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOmYi96cU1M
 
steve45 said:
Biden did caveat that with how we respond will depend on how its used... That could range from a stern finger wag to WW3 however I suspect it would be on the left of that spectrum. I wouldnt expect much more more than stiffening of sanctions.
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They wont even send fighter jets so are Nato going to really have the big balls when it comes to it.
 
Mik3 said:
I thought it was 30-60M, I must have got it mixed up with something else or read it in an old book that's now outdated information.

Anyhow, this is an interesting video covering some of the intercepted conversations between Russian forces.

I'll post a link as there is some foul language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOmYi96cU1M
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Classic line from that video, " its better to be a deserter than ferterlizer"
 
dave28 said:
Classic line from that video, " its better to be a deserter than ferterlizer"
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I giggled at that as well :D

Another good one here.
Villagers fight off and destroy a small column of Russian armour, I don't know how Putin thought he could conquer these people.
 
Looking at the tactics being employed by both sides, it almost feels like the Continuation War being fought again. In that war, Russia used their standard tactics of shelling and then throwing men and materials at the problem. The Finns moved fast in small groups and took out the Russian supply lines, demoralising their enemy in the process.
You'd have thought that Russia would have learned something from that.
 
Why would they drive unsupported armour into a village? I'm not expert but surely you combine the assault with infantry and air while the tanks stand off and provide supporting fire from defensive locations?
 
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