Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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If they do agree Putin will come back again (look at Crimea) the man is poison and needs to be removed.

Its pretty clear this is a battle that will keep on going for many years to come there maybe breaks but it will flare up again.
 
muon said:
Thousands of civilians dead in Mariupol with mass graves set up. Where are the Putin apologists who will try to explain it away.
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Like the pro-Russian Ukranian broke-brains I work with, he’ll describe anything negative about the Russian invasion as either ‘some western trick’, ‘Ukranian Nazi’s did it’ ‘we suffered worse’ or ‘western propaganda’. We’ve joked about issuing bingo cards and playing ‘Bogdan Bingo’ when he comes out with his greatest hits.
 
koolpc said:
Imagine if the UK did that during WWII.

Giving in is not an option.
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Yes giving in is not an option and signing up to anything remotely close to Russia's terms is just setting themselves up for trouble in the future.

Shocky-FM said:
Meh, Ukraine will never get direct intervention from the west. They're screwed, even if they manage to "win" they still lose.
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There was discussion over the weekend about giving Ukraine with more armaments (planes, tanks etc) to help Ukraine push the Russians back. Even though there have been successful counter attacks there fairly small scale (all be it in key strategic areas) but hard to see how Ukraine can dislodge Russia on a larger scale from it's current positions without some state of the art weapons from the west. If we send them the tanks and planes they need who knows, Ukrainian commanders have proven themselves far more capable then their Russian counterparts at a tactical level.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Yes giving in is not an option and signing up to anything remotely close to Russia's terms is just setting themselves up for trouble in the future.


There was discussion over the weekend about giving Ukraine with more armaments (planes, tanks etc) to help Ukraine push the Russians back. Even though there have been successful counter attacks there fairly small scale (all be it in key strategic areas) but hard to see how Ukraine can dislodge Russia on a larger scale from it's current positions without some state of the art weapons from the west. If we send them the tanks and planes they need who knows, Ukrainian commanders have proven themselves far more capable then their Russian counterparts at a tactical level.
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They will need man power to push back. I dont know if they have enough to do it. Plus heavy weapons.
 
bingham67 said:
Dont watch the video titled Mariupol morgue on twitter it really is not a morgue in the sense you see here more like something from schindlers list very grim.
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Unfortunately I came across that one too, I wish I hadn't it's a truly awful situation they are in.
 
The Running Man said:
They will need man power to push back. I dont know if they have enough to do it. Plus heavy weapons.
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I wonder if cutting the supply lines could be done with a lot less manpower. I guess at some point the Russian forces can get backed up close-enough to the border that the supply lines are too short to cut, but they would at least he pushed back to some extent at that point.
 
The Running Man said:
They will need man power to push back. I dont know if they have enough to do it. Plus heavy weapons.
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The one slight edge Ukraine has is manpower as they have access to 200,000 reservists all with various levels of combat experience giving them a total effective fighting force of around 300,000. Although Russia does has access to 900,000 but for Putin to call them up now would admitting the war has gone belly up for Russia and would weaken him politically. Heavy weapons is what Ukraine needs though.
 
Ukraine can't really push Russia out without a huge risk to their own people. Their better strategy is to keep at the hit-and-run attacks on the supply lines to bleed the Russians dry of food, fuel and ammunition so they end up giving up and leaving. Nothing shy of an absolute public defeat is going to get Putin to back off. It took ~10 years for that to work in Afghanistan, but nobody was putting sanctions on Russia back then. No peace deal is worth the paper its signed on whilst Putin is around, he's already reneged on the last one, this is why Zelenskyy is talking about independent enforcement of a deal, which in practise means NATO troops on the ground. It can't be UN troops, Russia would veto it !
 
kinetic747 said:
I take it Russia is going to pay to rebuild Ukraine whatever the outcome?
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Iraklis F.C. said:
is there an estimate of the economic cost for Ukraine so far, homes destroyed, infrastructure etc?
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Doubt Russia can afford it, though there may well be sanctions on it until it agrees to some form of reparations. I imagine Ukraine will receive in the region of $1tn in terms of aid and loans for rebuilding. The corruption is going to be horrendous.

Freddie1980 said:
If Abramovich wants to be taken seriously he should buy 3000 Mavic Drone's (non lethal, resonance) and send them to Ukraine
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Probably wouldn't even be able to fly them if anywhere near and airport or other sensitive locations. DJI software won't even allow people to fly it in their own home if they are close to various locations.

Malevolence said:
For that to be effective they'd also have to take out the Kerch Strait Bridge too.
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I said when this all kicked off, that Ukraine should have taken out that bridge. It doesn't make any sense to keep it, and it cost Russia over $4bn so would be a big loss.
 
Freddie1980 said:
The one slight edge Ukraine has is manpower as they have access to 200,000 reservists all with various levels of combat experience giving them a total effective fighting force of around 300,000. Although Russia does has access to 900,000 but for Putin to call them up now would admitting the war has gone belly up for Russia and would weaken him politically. Heavy weapons is what Ukraine needs though.
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Reservists are fine to defend the streets of a city.

The aren't ideal for launching offensives against the Russians to drive them back.

They will get cut down.
 
Macron is idiot, all he is doing is positioning himself for his own internal interests.

Putin doesn't have to play the political game, it's his only strength along with nuclear arms.

So the west keeps turning Ukraine into a warzone. It's unfortunate and beyond comprehension as why Russia thought it was a good idea but the line in sand must stand against the Russian stupidness. As for them starting exercises and a new front good luck with that....
 
englishpremier said:
I said when this all kicked off, that Ukraine should have taken out that bridge. It doesn't make any sense to keep it, and it cost Russia over $4bn so would be a big loss.
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Yes, this is the #1 obvious target. How many drones would it take to do so though? In this totally unfair fight Ukraine doesn't have any cruise missiles, do they?
 
So Ukraine PM pretty much has conceded joining NATO a pipe dream and willing to go neutral status, probably with significant loss of territory and losing military.

What has really riled me is Truss confirming that pretty much as soon as this ends the sanctions end, so no long lasting consequences for Russia, assuming other countries do same.
 
chrcoluk said:
So Ukraine PM pretty much has conceded joining NATO a pipe dream and willing to go neutral status, probably with significant loss of territory and losing military.

What has really riled me is Truss confirming that pretty much as soon as this ends the sanctions end, so no long lasting consequences for Russia, assuming other countries do same.
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If the war ends… how long do you think sanctions should go on for?
What’s the end point?
 
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