Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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*Ukraine Says Russia Building Up Troop Levels in Moldova

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Malevolence said:
Yeah, literally blows the tail off. Those things are so rapid that it looks like a rail gun hit, one second it's flying normally and then a millisecond later BOOM!
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Kind of crazy, you dont see any indication at all until the chopper just snaps in half.

For all the **** ups our government has done recently, its hard to disagree with the effectiveness of the UK supplied weapons, and that we were first to be providing them and in such quantity.
 
kindai said:
Kind of crazy, you dont see any indication at all until the chopper just snaps in half.

For all the **** ups our government has done recently, its hard to disagree with the effectiveness of the UK supplied weapons, and that we were first to be providing them and in such quantity.
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I assume they would track the hottest part of the exhaust which is probably around there.
 
ubersonic said:
This looks like great/monumental news but sadly it's just hot air.


It's good that they are doing more to try and help but you have to question how much use this will actually be. As pretty much every country who use ex-USSR tanks use Russian built T-72s, whereas Ukraine use the Ukrainian built T-64 and T-80/84 tanks. This means the tanks likely to be sent to Ukraine will be T-72s and probably older ones (in some cases they may actually be ones Ukraine sold off in the 90s), which means none of the Ukrainian tankers under the age of 40 will have been trained on them and they will be in an equal/worse state of modernization/survivability to the junk Russia failed to invade in.

The only states with decent tanks of the types Ukraine use, and enough of them to make sending some worthwhile, are China and Pakistan, neither of which are likely to want to **** off Russia.
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I can't imagine the difference in systems would be that. Unsurmountable. How vulnerable to modern weapons would be more the issue, the older the tank.
 
ubersonic said:
Ukrainian tankers under the age of 40 will have been trained on them
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Little anecdote. On one of tour of Chornobyl we were offered a ride on an APC. We were driving around for a while with the driver flattening trees etc. Then it broke down.

For over an hour the young driver was on his phone trying to get it started. In the end we started to walk. Our guide said something to the driver which turned out to be along the lines of "it got further than last time"

Just as we started walking our little soviet era bus pulled up. Our driver got, in his 50s I'd say, climbed inside the APC and started it after a couple of minutes.

So yeah, it does help to know how your equipment works.
 
kindai said:
AFAIK its not infra-red tracking its laser guided. Which is also why its so effective against countermeasures.
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Indeed. IR flares have made heat-seaking SAM and A2A missile systems mostly ineffective.

BAe had to totally redesign their Rapier SAM system to use laser guidance as the old system which attempted to null the difference between where the operator was aiming and an IR source on the rear or the missile was proven unusable during trials with the US Army to whom BAe was trying to sell Tracked Rapier systems.
 
Puzzled said:
Sadly all those forces will heading to reinforce the East and push through there.
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Maybe but you have to wonder what state their in after 5 weeks of fighting. It also allows eliminates the threat of Russian occupation in all the other Ukrainian towns around those cities in the north.
 
kindai said:
For all the **** ups our government has done recently, its hard to disagree with the effectiveness of the UK supplied weapons, and that we were first to be providing them and in such quantity.
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Is it really all that surprising given the recent bad blood we have with Russia over the Polonium and Novichok poisonings in the last decade ? This is the perfect way for us to get back at them without actually risking an all out conflict
 
kindai said:
For all the **** ups our government has done recently, its hard to disagree with the effectiveness of the UK supplied weapons, and that we were first to be providing them and in such quantity.
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Quite. Credit where it is due; the British government has done a great job in backing Ukraine's defence.

Minusorange said:
Is it really all that surprising given the recent bad blood we have with Russia over the Polonium and Novichok poisonings in the last decade ? This is the perfect way for us to get back at them without actually risking an all out conflict
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Given how soaked the Tories are in Russian donations, I find it really quite surprising how good they've been on this. Also, Russia has been up to plenty of shady business across the West, so I'm not sure that the UK really has more reason to seek revenge against Russia.
 
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*Ukraine Says Russia Building Up Troop Levels in Moldova

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— Bloomberg (CET Time)

*Moldova’s Transnistria Denies Russian Forces Plan

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*Pope Francis Says Kyiv Trip Possible

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Mr Jack said:
Quite. Credit where it is due; the British government has done a great job in backing Ukraine's defence.



Given how soaked the Tories are in Russian donations, I find it really quite surprising how good they've been on this. Also, Russia has been up to plenty of shady business across the West, so I'm not sure that the UK really has more reason to seek revenge against Russia.
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Hardly soaked, and Russia has remained our principal military opponent since the cold war, even if not actively, we have not seriously sought joint ventures either.
But yes Britain has been targeted directly whereas Europe has suffered equally in spying operations and computer crime. It is strange how Merkel tolerated them so much.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Indeed. IR flares have made heat-seaking SAM and A2A missile systems mostly ineffective.
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Just to clarify that - I would say they've only made the older IR seekers in 70's/80's missiles fairly "ineffective" whilst more modern missiles (SAM & AAM) from the 90's onwards started to use Dual Band Short/Medium Wave Imaging Infra Red (IIR) seekers which aren't decoyed by traditional IR flares any more, so there's been yet another "weapons-race" for flares which can reliably decoy IIR seekers. Most "vulnerable" aircraft (transport/helos) have been forced to add some form of IR Laser blinding device (LAIRCM/DIRCM) due to the increased effectiveness of IIR seekers at rejecting their older IR decoy flares.

It's taken until the late 2000's until "black-light" flares (as in mostly "non-visible" due the being S/MWIR) started to become available for NATO aircraft, aimed specifically at decoying IIR seekers with some success but it's not 100% by any means.
 
Malevolence said:
Yeah, literally blows the tail off. Those things are so rapid that it looks like a rail gun hit, one second it's flying normally and then a millisecond later BOOM!

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Thales finally get to see their missile system in action after 25 years in service.

It's fancy and unique but someone has to actually be attacking for such a short range missile shotgun to have some value :p
 
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