AMD RX 7900XT, 90% to 130% faster than 6900XT, MCM, Q4 2022.

Ross Thomson · 30 Apr 2022 at 21:55

jordan47354 said:
I believe the 5700 XT has very high power spikes relative to the average power consumption, the fact that it handled a 3070 doesn't mean the PSU couldn't have been the culprit.

my 650w PSU handled a massively OC 5700XT putting out 340w on water (daisy chained too one cable) No driver issues

sparkymark75 · 1 May 2022 at 00:21

Tired9 said:
And always denial based on the oppositions own personal experience too. You project that people are Nvidia biased without realising you are biased too.

Weird that yet it is what fuels a purchase.

Dumb dumbs everywhere.

The difference is, I don't jump into every nVidia thread polluting them with my tales of woe.

Tired9 · 1 May 2022 at 02:55

sparkymark75 said:
The difference is, I don't jump into every nVidia thread polluting them with my tales of woe.

Ahh yes, someone may mention they are not buying AMD this round and that's cool, but if say someone such as myself explains why they are put off for now, this is bad?

Seems just to be an AMD user issue really, thin skinned and cannot accept that their brand is not perfect, and before you start typing again, no Nvidia are definitely not perfect, just that the issues are less wide spread and fixes are fast.
Put up a front saying we are biased etc and that we are trying to make AMD look bad, no I just want my personal experience to be accepted and still be part of the group who will buy from either camp if the product will meet what is needed personally.
But no we need people with a lack of mental depth to just see everything as a VS.

The backhanded statements in reply to my own personal situation also had zero evidence, whilst mine has way more evidence and backed merit.
Just that the group-think in this thread is all Pro AMD. It was horrible watching what I thought would be an intelligent guy go at another person for not being as articulate about it and instead saying it how it is but still hoping he is wrong.

You all latch onto the negative without understanding the other person wants Radeon to do well.

It's pathetic childish behavior and not a single one of you has the balls to own up to your BS.

Grim5 · 1 May 2022 at 03:36

humbug said:
My brief time owning a 5700XT the one thing that i did realise is MSI After Burner is a cause of a lot of problems, if you're using AMD drivers for GPU custom settings MSI After Burner has a habit of trying to override it or just clashing, even glitching with it

I had a lot of heat issues with my 5700XT so i did a lot of power tweaking to it, i experienced exactly the same problems people who like to use to perpetuate the more than a decade long (AMD's Drivers are bad) none sense, those were due to my pushing the undervolts too hard and MSI After Burner interfearence, unfortunatly i had to stop using MSI After Burner but once i did the settings i set in AMD's drivers were ROCK SOLID.

Now for the record the 5700XT was a cracking card and i loved AMD's drivers, the problem with it was ASRock, ASRock turned a cracking GPU in to the junkiest pile poo imaginable and i couldn't live with it.

It was an ASRock 5700XT Challenger OC.

Tired9 said:
Ahh yes, someone may mention they are not buying AMD this round and that's cool, but if say someone such as myself explains why they are put off for now, this is bad?

Seems just to be an AMD user issue really, thin skinned and cannot accept that their brand is not perfect, and before you start typing again, no Nvidia are definitely not perfect, just that the issues are less wide spread and fixes are fast.
Put up a front saying we are biased etc and that we are trying to make AMD look bad, no I just want my personal experience to be accepted and still be part of the group who will buy from either camp if the product will meet what is needed personally.
But no we need people with a lack of mental depth to just see everything as a VS.

The backhanded statements in reply to my own personal situation also had zero evidence, whilst mine has way more evidence and backed merit.
Just that the group-think in this thread is all Pro AMD. It was horrible watching what I thought would be an intelligent guy go at another person for not being as articulate about it and instead saying it how it is but still hoping he is wrong.

You all latch onto the negative without understanding the other person wants Radeon to do well.

It's pathetic childish behavior and not a single one of you has the balls to own up to your BS.

Recent amd issue: ftpm stuttering in games, affects quite a few people and took amd many months to fix it during which time peoples PC or Laptop were just about unable to play games

gpuerrilla · 1 May 2022 at 08:54

There was a problem with the 5700 cards, I don't think anyone is denying that.

However plenty of other cards were about (vega's, VII, 5600) and most users didn't lament about it. Perhaps due to gaming and enjoying it? Normally on any internet platform there are a tribe of unhappy folk that are way more vocal on issues, basically drown out the positive noise.

If you head into the nvidia forums for example you will find lots of unhappy folk with black screens, CTD etc. You have to have severe tunnel vision thinking to apply this is only a one vendor issue.

I mean.. wait until Intel actually join the party. I can see many a driver issue to be had!

Tired9 · 1 May 2022 at 09:03

gpuerrilla said:
There was a problem with the 5700 cards, I don't think anyone is denying that.

However plenty of other cards were about (vega's, VII, 5600) and most users didn't lament about it. Perhaps due to gaming and enjoying it? Normally on any internet platform there are a tribe of unhappy folk that are way more vocal on issues, basically drown out the positive noise.

If you head into the nvidia forums for example you will find lots of unhappy folk with black screens, CTD etc. You have to have severe tunnel vision thinking to apply this is only a one vendor issue.

I mean.. wait until Intel actually join the party. I can see many a driver issue to be had!

I also had intermittent black screening with my RTX 3070, big difference is it did not crash my PC and a Display Port cable upgrade fixed it completely as I am driving a 170hz 1440P monitor vs a 1080P 144hz prior with the 5700-XT.

gpuerrilla · 1 May 2022 at 09:05

sparkymark75 said:
There's always someone from the nVidia Defence Force coming in to try and derail an AMD thread by bringing up past personal issues.

Darujhistan said:
It's a Pavlonian response. When they read "AMD" they start salivating, and then begin typing.

unfortunately, its unavoidable. You even get these self-declared 'neutrals' as they struggle to find a receipt or box from once upon a time where they may have used a card without GeForce written on it.

To give real examples of say the gen right now, you have users posting about ray tracing. Most of it is justification for the expensive card they now own. Truth is how can you put so much energy into smearing the card you do not have? It tends to be the upper end buyers that go out of their way here. I rarely see bitch fights with threads between 6600XT owners and 3060's..

Ross Thomson · 1 May 2022 at 09:59

Freddie1980 said:
Tbf for years I've been using both Geforce and Radeon cards interchangeable without issue and when people complained about bad drivers or faulty software I just put it down PEBKAC.

Last year during the GPU draught I snagged a Radeon 6600XT at MRSP At first I was really happy with it but soon I started experiencing problems with while booting into Windows where the display output would fail to work once the Windows driver was activated (effectively a black screen) and this would happen randomly. In the end after returning the card and trying a replacement only for the same fault to reappear I replaced my PSU with a 850 watt model and it fixed the problem. I'm not happy about it though, the card was sold as 180 watt TDP and needed a 500 watt PSU which is what I had but I've had to go through the extra expense and agrevation of swapping out my PSU and AMD won't acknowledge there's an issue. I'll certainly think twice before going back to Radeon.

how do yo know there wasn't actually anything wrong with your PSU. My son is using a 6600XT and a 3900X with a 500w cheap PSU (mustard and ketchup cables) with no issues. I've even overclocked the card to the max without any issues either.

Ross Thomson · 1 May 2022 at 10:00

gpuerrilla said:
There was a problem with the 5700 cards, I don't think anyone is denying that.

I never suffered any issues.

gpuerrilla · 1 May 2022 at 10:38

Ross Thomson said:
I never suffered any issues.

Was trying to empathise with Tired as I did see other people post issues with these cards - alas not to the effect that some would believe that 100% of these cards are faulty which IMO I think is codswallop. I would ask someone like @Martini1991 who I recall owned one for another unbiased opinion, I do think they have some foibles.

I have owned ATi cards before AMD, 3dfx before nvidia and will also sample intel when their dGPU lineups come out. I have to chuckle at the brand loyalty people pretend they do not have. Using computer hardware is about being flexible when it comes to the PC platform, I guess some don't have the patience and want it to work out of box no issues ever. Good refence to PEBCAK but hard sell in a throw away society.

If you want simplicity just stick to consoles. Not aiming this at anyone, its more a disclaimer that is needed in each of the threads as like stated above turns into bitching about drivers and personal issues which wastes screen space.

OT. Again what display your using will dictate if you need anything better than the 7700XT. If the rumoured 8Gb is true then this will mean going up a tier if you have one of the latest and greatest displays.

CuriousTomCat · 1 May 2022 at 11:16

Tired9 said:
Ahh yes, someone may mention they are not buying AMD this round and that's cool, but if say someone such as myself explains why they are put off for now, this is bad?

Seems just to be an AMD user issue really, thin skinned and cannot accept that their brand is not perfect, and before you start typing again, no Nvidia are definitely not perfect, just that the issues are less wide spread and fixes are fast.
Put up a front saying we are biased etc and that we are trying to make AMD look bad, no I just want my personal experience to be accepted and still be part of the group who will buy from either camp if the product will meet what is needed personally.
But no we need people with a lack of mental depth to just see everything as a VS.

The backhanded statements in reply to my own personal situation also had zero evidence, whilst mine has way more evidence and backed merit.
Just that the group-think in this thread is all Pro AMD. It was horrible watching what I thought would be an intelligent guy go at another person for not being as articulate about it and instead saying it how it is but still hoping he is wrong.

You all latch onto the negative without understanding the other person wants Radeon to do well.

It's pathetic childish behavior and not a single one of you has the balls to own up to your BS.

I understand that you have gone off AMD because of your one bad experience. That's fair enough, and I really do hope that you never have to RMA an Nvidia card because that will no doubt put you off buying Nvidia cards in the future as well. However, I fail to understand why you have made it your apparent sole mission objective to constantly berate and belittle AMD Radeon at every single opportunity. I saw the funny side when I first noticed it last week but it's been constant ever since.

You need to appreciate that computer hardware sometimes goes awry and it's not just AMD cards that have problems. Here's a short list of just a few Nvidia cards that have gone wrong and I dont see these people scolding Nvidia all over the forums at every opportinity.

3070 Ti RMA
3080 RMA
3080 RMA
3080 ti RMA
3090 RMA
3090 RMA
3080 RMA

Freddie1980 · 1 May 2022 at 12:03

Ross Thomson said:
how do yo know there wasn't actually anything wrong with your PSU. My son is using a 6600XT and a 3900X with a 500w cheap PSU (mustard and ketchup cables) with no issues. I've even overclocked the card to the max without any issues either.

Reading through all the posts on the AMD Radeon thread on this issue it's isolated to Sapphire models (Pulse and Nitro). The problem has been going on since October and although nobody is 100% sure on what the cause it has been noted that PSU's with split 12v rails are the issue were as PSU's with single 12v rails (i.e. plenty of amps) are able to run the 6600XT without any issue.

Ross Thomson · 1 May 2022 at 12:32

Freddie1980 said:
Reading through all the posts on the AMD Radeon thread on this issue it's isolated to Sapphire models (Pulse and Nitro). The problem has been going on since October and although nobody is 100% sure on what the cause it has been noted that PSU's with split 12v rails are the issue were as PSU's with single 12v rails (i.e. plenty of amps) are able to run the 6600XT without any issue.

red devil 600XT and the split rail doesn't make any difference

Troezar · 1 May 2022 at 13:00

My policy had always been to run an overspecced PSU, both in watts and quality. Saves so much hassle troubleshooting

humbug · 1 May 2022 at 13:11

Freddie1980 said:
Reading through all the posts on the AMD Radeon thread on this issue it's isolated to Sapphire models (Pulse and Nitro). The problem has been going on since October and although nobody is 100% sure on what the cause it has been noted that PSU's with split 12v rails are the issue were as PSU's with single 12v rails (i.e. plenty of amps) are able to run the 6600XT without any issue.

That seems suspect to me, RE: the first post you wrote on this you're suggesting the 6600XT needs an 850 Watt PSU, i wonder, out of all the 6600XT owners how many of them are running 850 watt PSU's and how many much less than that?

I think it was a problem with your PSU being faulty, don't believe everything you read on the internet, use common sense, the idea that a 6600XT needs a 850 watt PSU is ridiculous.

Also, show me a multi-rail PSU that isn't cheap junk.

Freddie1980 · 1 May 2022 at 13:53

humbug said:
That seems suspect to me, RE: the first post you wrote on this you're suggesting the 6600XT needs an 850 Watt PSU, i wonder, out of all the 6600XT owners how many of them are running 850 watt PSU's and how many much less than that?

I think it was a problem with your PSU being faulty, don't believe everything you read on the internet, use common sense, the idea that a 6600XT needs a 850 watt PSU is ridiculous.

Also, show me a multi-rail PSU that isn't cheap junk.

The first people who reported the problem solved said they done it by replacing their PSU. Someone mentioned trying another rail if available, I tried that using a rail that had 2 less amps meant the card failed to display anything when the windows driver kicked in (when you boot the windows logo appears then your screen goes black for half second and then displays the desktop, this is when the driver takes over). Swapping over the cable to slightly stronger rail meant I could at least boot to Windows desktop every other boot.

Older PSU's typically have split 12v rails and newer premium PSU's have single fat rails. I can't help but think Sapphire have designed and built the PCB and tested it with brand new high end PSU's and one of components used doesn't like older PSU designs with split rails.

humbug · 1 May 2022 at 14:16

Freddie1980 said:
The first people who reported the problem solved said they done it by replacing their PSU. Someone mentioned trying another rail if available, I tried that using a rail that had 2 less amps meant the card failed to display anything when the windows driver kicked in (when you boot the windows logo appears then your screen goes black for half second and then displays the desktop, this is when the driver takes over). Swapping over the cable to slightly stronger rail meant I could at least boot to Windows desktop every other boot.

Older PSU's typically have split 12v rails and newer premium PSU's have single fat rails. I can't help but think Sapphire have designed and built the PCB and tested it with brand new high end PSU's and one of components used doesn't like older PSU designs with split rails.

I get that people often have old, sometimes old and crap PSU's, something they are using from some ancient OEM box.

I'll explain.

A PSU with dual 12v Rails would need 18A minimum on each rail, that's 216 watts for each rail, 430 watts total and these PSU's often use the 3.3v and 5v rails to make up the rest of the PSU's power rating, this configuration would be a 500 watt rated PSU, it could even be higher depending on how they use the 3.3v and 5v rails to get to thier 500 watt rating, IE the 12v rails could be less than 18A.

Normally what you would do with PSU's like this is use 1 rail per 6/8 pin, but many cards in this class only have 1. for example.

If you have a PSU like that and its causing problems its not the fault of the GPU, many Nvidia GPU's in this class also have only 1 6/8 pin connector, for example.

Be it AMD or Nvidia cards in this class if you have a PSU like this its time to upgrade it, so, and this is important; YOU DO NOT NEED A MEGA AMPS PSU, see this £45 PSU? it has a single 44A 12v rail, that's 528 watts from its single 12v rail, that's the sort of thing you should have bought.

tommybhoy · 1 May 2022 at 14:31

Running a 3080, monitor on sleep is disabled as you get a black screen more often than not, happened on the 3070 before that and the 2070 before that so it's still there, also each new driver is a miss more than a hit and disables HDR on the TV.

Pure greeting about drivers, I'm never ever buying Nv again because of duff drivers... until I buy the next one. :cry:

humbug · 1 May 2022 at 14:48

There are a lot of people on this forum who actually know what they are talking about, enough that there is always someone around to give good advice, i just wish people would ask.

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