Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[dowie]

This was interesting:

https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status/1532689797269045248

Have not embedded the tweet as it contains swear words, images pasted below:

Tons of conscripts and/or new recruits talked into signing contracts were used as part of the invasion forces - people seem to have quickly forgotten about all the camps in Belarus where 1000s were sent on "exercises" having only ~3 weeks training then sent into the war. With all the reports of worried parents posting on Russian social media and the accounts of how only 3-4 out of 100 were making it back home alive and uninjured.

While Putin was supposedly outraged about it I suspect it was an act.

Yup lots of them were, but like I said that was to make up numbers in various under-strength BTGs, the invasion force was officially Russian regular army BTGs, it varied depending on the local CO, legally conscripts can't be moblisied, in some cases they were tricked, coerced or even forced to and in other cases BTGs went into the invasion under strenght with no conscripts to make up the numbers.

 

[dunker]

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[Freddie1980]

I was wondering how Ukraine was able to keep going in Mariupol for nearly 3 months and now we know. The Ukrainians were running virtually suicidal helicopter runs into the city to drop off food and ammo.

This is well worth a read LINK, below I've put in some of the highlights:

New details are coming to light about incredibly daring resupply missions that were flown by Ukrainian helicopter crews right into the heart of the fighting in the occupied seaport city of Mariupol. Flying two at a time and once four at a time, Ukrainian Mi-8 Hip helicopter crews braved dense Russian air defense and enemy aircraft concentrated in and around Mariupol to deliver desperately needed supplies and fresh troops to the defenders of the besieged Azovstal steel plant.

Of the 16 total helicopters involved, two were destroyed, Ukraine Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Defense Intelligence of Ukraine, told The War Zone in an exclusive series of interviews. Another helicopter was destroyed coming to the rescue of one of the downed Hips.

“The special operation was planned and performed by Defense Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine,” said Budanov, offering previously unreported details of those dangerous missions.

Ukraine's military "repeatedly delivered ammunition, communications, and medicine to Mariupol," said Deputy Chief of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksiy Hromov.
But those deliveries, he said, "were possible until the information about the aid was disseminated. As a result, the enemy took measures to strengthen the air defense system, which made it difficult for us to carry out such actions and led to the loss of personnel and helicopters that evacuated the wounded

 

[EVH5150]

They were if Ukraine hadnt been trained by the USA/UK in defence. 2014 UKR would have failed. Instead Russian doctrine fell over , so have reverted to type

Yeah, we'd definitely be looking at a different situation had Ukraine not received the training they had from the UK and the US, though IMO what we perceive as Elite and what the Russians perceive are two entirely different things.

 

[dowie]

That's the sad thing about the helicopter runs into Mariupol, Russians eventually got word of it and shot two down, before then they were covertly running those resupply missions right under Russia's noses.

 

[EVH5150]

I'd say they were. They were just misused and sent into areas without proper air support or armour. Doesn't matter how good you are, you're going to get chewed up.

Couldn't agree more, the whole Homstel situation was a massive cluster F%*! no air support and with two iL-76 being shot down full of VDV .

 

[Mr Jack]

what happens if Ukraine start blowing up Russian cities using USA weapons?

They lose the goodwill and support of their Western partners, and Russia declares war, throwing even more devastation at Ukraine. All for zero benefit for Ukraine.

Targeting military assets and infrastructure in Russia makes sense, hitting cities is just daft.

 

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Spoiler: *OMV says it won't have to keep paying if Russia cuts gas deliveries

Spoiler: EXCLUSIVE- *UniCredit widens search for buyers to sell out of Russia

Spoiler: *Biden says OPEC production announcement positive, not sure it's enough

Spoiler: *French fighter killed in Ukraine, foreign ministry in Paris says

03-Jun-2022 16:43:10 - African Union Chair Macky Sall: Russia’s Putin Expressed Willingness to Ease Exports of Ukrainian Cereals During Sochi Meeting
03-Jun-2022 16:43:11 - African Union Chair Macky Sall: Putin Told Him Russia Is Also Ready to Ensure Exports of Russian Wheat and Fertiliser
03-Jun-2022 17:42:16 - U.N. Aid Chief ‘Had Frank, Constructive Discussions’ in Moscow on Facilitating Exports of Ukraine Grain From Black Sea Ports — U.N. Spokesman

03-Jun-2022 17:09:10 - Erdogan Discusses Sweden, Finland NATO Bids With Stoltenberg, Reiterates Turkey’s Security Concerns — Presidency

 

[ChrisLX200]

They lose the goodwill and support of their Western partners, and Russia declares war, throwing even more devastation at Ukraine. All for zero benefit for Ukraine.

Targeting military assets and infrastructure in Russia makes sense, hitting cities is just daft.

Will they now have range to hit Crimea - and a particular bridge?

 

[Mr Jack]

Will they now have range to hit Crimea - and a particular bridge?

I don't know. I also don't know whether hitting the bridge with these weapons would be particularly effective.

 

[steve45]

Will they now have range to hit Crimea - and a particular bridge?

Not from the current ground they hold. If US gave them the ATACMS missile which I believe they are not. The ATACMS might be towards the upper limit of its stated range from inside ukrainian held territory, but its a moot point.

 

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03-Jun-2022 18:05:09 - Russia’s Putin: Europe Has Exaggerated Significance of Alternative Energy Sources
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03-Jun-2022 18:06:21 - Russia’s Putin: Some European Countries Did Not Keep Long-Term Contracts for Shipments of Russian Natural Gas
03-Jun-2022 18:07:12 - Russia’s Putin: Increased Fertiliser Prices Have Nothing to Do With Russia’s Military Operation in Ukraine
03-Jun-2022 18:08:30 - Russia’s Putin: Our Partners Made Lot of Mistakes and Are Now Looking For Scapegoat
03-Jun-2022 18:09:21 - Russia’s Putin: Situation Will Worsen Due to Sanctions on Our Fertilisers
03-Jun-2022 18:10:21 - Russia’s Putin: Reports That Russia Does Not Allow Grain Exports From Ukrainian Ports Are “A Bluff”
03-Jun-2022 18:11:17 - Russia’s Putin: Our Estimates Show That Ukraine Could Export 5 Mln T of Wheat and 7 Mln Tonnes of Corn
03-Jun-2022 18:11:39 - Russia’s Putin: Russia Will Increase Its Grain Export to 50 Mln T
03-Jun-2022 18:11:55 - Russia’s Putin: We Are Not Blocking Exports of Grain From Ukraine
03-Jun-2022 18:12:57 - Russia’s Putin: Ukraine Can Export Grain From Ports It Controls, Such As Odesa
03-Jun-2022 18:13:15 - Russia’s Putin: We Are Ready to Guarantee Exports From Ports in Azov Sea
03-Jun-2022 18:13:34 - Russia’s Putin: Grain From Ukraine Could Be Exported via Romania and Poland
03-Jun-2022 18:13:50 - Russia’s Putin: Grains Also Could Be Exported via Belarus
03-Jun-2022 18:14:04 - Russia’s Putin: For That Sanctions Need to Be Lifted off Belarus
03-Jun-2022 18:14:22 - Russia’s Putin: There Are No Problems With Shipping Grain out of Ukraine
03-Jun-2022 18:14:50 - Russia’s Putin: We Guarantee Safety of Grain Exports From Ports
03-Jun-2022 18:15:36 - Russia’s Putin: There Are Dozens of Foreign Vessels in Blocked Ukrainian Ports

 

[the wopster]

Not from the current ground they hold. If US gave them the ATACMS missile which I believe they are not. The ATACMS might be towards the upper limit of its stated range from inside ukrainian held territory, but its a moot point.

Max range of GMLRS is 70KM, from memory the ATACMS is 200+

 

[steve45]

Max range of GMLRS is 70KM, from memory the ATACMS is 200+

The shortest range from current Ukrainian held territory I make at very rough ~250-260km. ATACMS is pushing about 300km at max range.
Yeah all info I can gather at the moments state that Ukraine are getting the M30/M31 missiles, both of which would be well short of a direct strike on the Kerch crossing.

EDIT* Just for clarification I'm talking about range to the bridge, not Crimea itself. Portions of Crimea could be within range, but I still think most of the more strategic bases and such would still be out of range even if they reclaim control of the Kherson region.

Another Edit** Great video for those not so versed with these systems

 

[the wopster]

The shortest range from current Ukrainian held territory I make at very rough ~250-260km. ATACMS is pushing about 300km at max range.
Yeah all info I can gather at the moments state that Ukraine are getting the M30/M31 missiles, both of which would be well short of a direct strike on the Kerch crossing.

Yep those are the same as the ones we used in Afghan, very accurate and upto 70km range

 

[Iraklis F.C.]

Ukraine: Turkey buys stolen grain via Russia, lmao

 

[Mr Badger]

Yeah, we'd definitely be looking at a different situation had Ukraine not received the training they had from the UK and the US, though IMO what we perceive as Elite and what the Russians perceive are two entirely different things.

The elite soldier has the rifle, the non-elite soldier follows...

 

[Iraklis F.C.]

Ukraine envoy says Turkey among destinations of grain stolen by Russia

Kyiv's ambassador to Ankara said on Friday Turkish buyers were among those receiving grain that Russia stole from Ukraine, adding he has sought Turkey's help to identify and capture individuals responsible for the shipments.

www.reuters.com

i am quite angry at both NATO and the EU, while Europe is bleeding dry from sanctions etc, the turkish behave as if business as usual and nobody bats an eyelid.

 

[Custor]

Ukraine envoy says Turkey among destinations of grain stolen by Russia

Kyiv's ambassador to Ankara said on Friday Turkish buyers were among those receiving grain that Russia stole from Ukraine, adding he has sought Turkey's help to identify and capture individuals responsible for the shipments.

www.reuters.com

i am quite angry at both NATO and the EU, while Europe is bleeding dry from sanctions etc, the turkish behave as if business as usual and nobody bats an eyelid.

Your unable to grasp that the entire world doesn’t hold your viewpoint?
You’re going to be angry for a long time.
A country shouldn’t have to do what another country tells it to do? Literally the entire point of this thread…apart from when you disagree. Seriously?

 

[Iraklis F.C.]

i am not addressing the world though, i am addressing the "alliance".

Your unable to grasp that the entire world doesn’t hold your viewpoint?
You’re going to be angry for a long time.
A country shouldn’t have to do what another country tells it to do? Literally the entire point of this thread…apart from when you disagree. Seriously?

are you for serious? A country is being attacked for no reason whatsoever, its people are getting killed, their resources stolen by hypothetical allies and i should just deal with it? what kind of point of view is this, you sound very cynical tbh.