Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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is the war a reality to most of you or just a text war on screen? I've not been following it tbh,

Imagine the first year of Germany invading...much the same chat if it were happening today?
 
is the war a reality to most of you or just a text war on screen? I've not been following it tbh,

Imagine the first year of Germany invading...much the same chat if it were happening today?
As much of a reality as every other major world event happening in our times. Am I directly involved in this one? No... Not at this time. Does the current conflict and its potential outcome directly effect me? Far too early to tell at this time.
However, there is strong potential for this conflict to have direct effect on me in the future, through my job and the effects and fall out of this conflict on general life in the west. Its important that we keep a close eye on the developments of this conflict, as however remote we are from the direct action of the fighting as a nation. we are far from immune from the indirect effects/fallout of the actions happening there.
 
It's all propaganda, you keep getting different reports because its all just fake news.

Why hasn't Ukraine won by now ? according to very early reports they were inflicting massive losses against the Russians and since then they have had so much more hardware and support you would expect the Russians would be wiped or at least driven from Ukraine by now.

People post of these Ukrainian victories all day long and act as if Russian has had none, then why haven't Ukraine won or at least driven the Russians out of their lands.

It is all relative - inflicting massive losses but still a long way from winning can be because the enemy still has plenty to throw at you... Ukraine also has over 1000 miles of border shared with Russia and Belarus as well as more than 600 miles of front line with hostile Russian forces which present a significant challenge of preventing the other army from repositioning into territory you've freed up as you move on to the next area.

That is about as useful as asking if Ukraine are doing so badly why Russia isn't in control of Kyiv by now...

Russians were meant to be near the end of their stock piles of artillery several weeks ago yet they upped their artillery strikes and are still going strong today.

Russians are stuck in the mud and that convoy won't be able to move ?

In that respect I'd agree - there seems to be a lot of people buying into the idea Russia is a spent force and will just take the current situation lying down...

Then you get reports of some mythical Ukrainian pilot that takes out Squadrons all on his own.

I don't think you will find many people who aren't aware that was propaganda...

Anybody who questions these ridiculous claims gets called comrade or a Putin supporter.

No - people get called those things when they question Ukrainian propaganda by repeating the Russian propaganda...
 
Well the counterattack on seemed to start a day ago, it looked like the Ukrainians were going to retreat from all of it (and had retreated from most of it) when suddenly, surprise... lots of Russian casualties and a big push back from the Ukrainian side.

Unfortunately I don't have access to stuff like Maxar's near real time data but judging by what data we do have access to such as FIRMS, SAR, etc. it would look like the area is still heavily contested. There appears to be significant shelling at what would likely be strategic strong points to the west and south west Ukraine has likely reinforced and operating from and the Russians seem to have pulled back the heavier elements of their forces to the outskirts to the north east. Which seems to back up Zelensky's latest statement that street fighting is ongoing for much of the city itself.

EDIT: Posts on Twitter confirm Ukraine has reinforced the higher ground at Lysychans'k.
 
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Massive armored army on the border on at least 3 fronts vs a significantly smaller force that wasn't really prepared defensively (hard defenses) for a sudden assault.

To think that they wouldn't have lost ground like Amnesia is suggesting is ridiculous. And here's the thing...Russia had to retreat and then only attack on two fronts because they screwed it up so badly. Ukraine's still significantly smaller force is making progress towards Crimea I assume with the aim of opening up shipping routes, and forcing Russia to have to divert men south.

UKR will try to hold the rivers and let Russia beat themselves trying to get over them.

You can try.and be the all knowing one thinking 'i saw what everyone else didn't', or you can be sensible and realize that Ukraine is still not a Western skilled army but still fighting like hell to get their land back.

Russia doesn't give a **** how much they destroy to get the job done. At what point will this be realized by some of the muppets in this thread?


Yes, there is -quell surprise- Ukrainian propaganda. It just isn't as bat poop crazy as Russia's, and based much more on reality.
 
Reuters- “French President Emmanuel Macron said it is vital that Russia is not humiliated so that when the fighting stops in Ukraine a diplomatic solution can be found, adding that he believed Paris would play a mediating role to end the conflict.”

I do wonder when the penny will drop for Macron that Putin has played him like a fool and the only way fighting is likely to stop is because either Ukraine no longer exists or Russia has absolutely exhausted its ability to wage war in Ukraine.

Though it is possible Russia might be able to force Ukraine to fight to a stalemate over the Donbas I can't really see it - though a lot of EU governments seem to be pinning their hopes on it ending there.
 
It's all propaganda, you keep getting different reports because its all just fake news.

This was reported by pro-RU sources such as Igor Girkin first as far as I know, and there's other proof coming out now. It is true that Ukraine has pushed back the Russian advance in that particular city. Whether it will stay that way is anyone's guess.

Why hasn't Ukraine won by now ? according to very early reports they were inflicting massive losses against the Russians and since then they have had so much more hardware and support you would expect the Russians would be wiped or at least driven from Ukraine by now.

They are fighting a massive war on multiple fronts against an enemy with a lot of resources. The hardware supplied to them (especially heavy equipment like artillery) has not been in sufficient quantities (yet, hopefully). Even if it was, a total victory - removing Russia from their territory - is not going to happen over night if it's even possible. Whether they've inflicted massive losses on Russian forces is not even debatable at this stage as the photographic evidence is there for all to see. They've probably received massive losses in return which is less reported on.

Russians were meant to be near the end of their stock piles of artillery several weeks ago yet they upped their artillery strikes and are still going strong today.

I haven't seen this claimed at all and I've spent way too much time following this. What people have claimed, and could be the case, is that they've burned through a high percentage of their precision missile stock that will be difficult to replace due to sanctions. I doubt anyone really knows how true this is but they certainly don't seem to be using as many as they were in the early weeks of the war.

Then you get reports of some mythical Ukrainian pilot that takes out Squadrons all on his own.

Only an idiot would believe this. The Ukrainian armed forces actually posted something a while back saying such rumours are harmful to them.

Russians are stuck in the mud and that convoy won't be able to move ?

Well, that convoy never did make much progress did it? Stuck on a road and harassed up until the Russian retreat from the Kyiv region I believe.

Anybody who questions these ridiculous claims gets called comrade or a Putin supporter.

You get called a Putin supporter when you repost Russian propaganda like this:

Those supposed brave Azov fighters were using women and children as human shields to hide behind.

For which there is no proof.

People post of these Ukrainian victories all day long and act as if Russian has had none, then why haven't Ukraine won or at least driven the Russians out of their lands.

Literally everyone following this war knows Russia has had victories of their own. However, since launching the invasion they've fully retreated from one axis after accomplishing nothing except murdering a whole bunch of civilians and have made little progress on most of the others. Only on one front (south) have they achieved some/all of their goals. From a pre-war perspective this is quite astonishing to a lot of people.

People don't even seem to realise that even with all this hardware and support Ukraine are unable to drive Russia out is because a lot of them are not soldiers. These are just civilians who are forced to defend, they were not given a choice and I'm sure plenty would rather not be fighting Americas proxy war.

The simple reason they can't drive them out is because they haven't been supplied enough hardware. The vast vast majority of Ukrainians under arms will have had military training. Even TDF are reservists and ex-combat veterans. I doubt the actual untrained volunteers are used for anything other than checkpoints and such to watch for saboteurs because in real combat with no training they'd just be a liability. As for this being a proxy war...well if it is, it's one that can be ended in a single day on the orders of one man.
 
It's all propaganda, you keep getting different reports because its all just fake news.

Why hasn't Ukraine won by now ? according to very early reports they were inflicting massive losses against the Russians and since then they have had so much more hardware and support you would expect the Russians would be wiped or at least driven from Ukraine by now.

Russians were meant to be near the end of their stock piles of artillery several weeks ago yet they upped their artillery strikes and are still going strong today.

Then you get reports of some mythical Ukrainian pilot that takes out Squadrons all on his own.

Russians are stuck in the mud and that convoy won't be able to move ?

Anybody who questions these ridiculous claims gets called comrade or a Putin supporter.

People post of these Ukrainian victories all day long and act as if Russian has had none, then why haven't Ukraine won or at least driven the Russians out of their lands.

Those supposed brave Azov fighters were using women and children as human shields to hide behind.

People don't even seem to realise that even with all this hardware and support Ukraine are unable to drive Russia out is because a lot of them are not soldiers. These are just civilians who are forced to defend, they were not given a choice and I'm sure plenty would rather not be fighting Americas proxy war.

Nah, you just like supporting child raping, mass murdering, deportation loving regimes.

How's the world's supposed second most powerful country going against a rag tag bunch of forced conscripts then? I'd say pretty bloody rubbish eh, must make you cry at night knowing more towns haven't been plundered and raped.
 
The foreign legion fighters are struggling to get weapons and ammo and raising their own finances to get them because Ukraine cannot. The fact Ukraine has done so well is staggering. But if all you watch is 'propaganda' then you will never learn this.

Let's take Russia's latest baffling comments that NATO'S weapons are weak and that they will be crushed easily by Russian unreleased weapons. That NATO leadership centers will be hit first.and why are NATO waiting, they should just declare war already (LOL). My fav though.. that there are only two groups of Russians... The military that fully support the war, and civilians which believe the usa, berlin etc should also be attacked. Sanity check.. they can't even ovewhelm a significantly smaller force yet and seem to think they could take on europe and the usa lol.
 
Multiple explosions in Kyiv apparently - claims on Twitter of being shelled but I'm guessing cruise missiles or similar as I highly doubt Russia has standard artillery in range currently.

EDIT: Couple of videos of what looks like Kalibrs but I can't tell if they are old videos or not.
 
The foreign legion fighters are struggling to get weapons and ammo and raising their own finances to get them because Ukraine cannot. The fact Ukraine has done so well is staggering. But if all you watch is 'propaganda' then you will never learn this.

Let's take Russia's latest baffling comments that NATO'S weapons are weak and that they will be crushed easily by Russian unreleased weapons. That NATO leadership centers will be hit first.and why are NATO waiting, they should just declare war already (LOL). My fav though.. that there are only two groups of Russians... The military that fully support the war, and civilians which believe the usa, berlin etc should also be attacked. Sanity check.. they can't even ovewhelm a significantly smaller force yet and seem to think they could take on europe and the usa lol.
Russia would have no chance in a conventional war, that much in obvious. Equally they could not win a nuclear war. However they could start a war where everybody loses. That is the valid fear imo. Are Putin and his cronies who are in a position to press the red button insane enough / uncaring enough to do it. IF Putin really is on his last legs it is feasible he is ..... but hopefully it is not only down to him and if be tried it someone would stop him but I am not certain myself.

it would not go that way in 1 step. the next step would be a "limited" nuclear (or biological) strike on ukraine in the hope that NATO are too scare to respond .
 
05-Jun-2022 04:20:57 - Powerful Explosions Heard in Ukraine’s Capital City of Kyiv — Reuters Witness

05-Jun-2022 06:31:36 - UK Military Intelligence: Over the Last 24 Hours, Ukrainian Forces Have Counterattacked in the Contested City Of Sieverodonetsk in Eastern Ukraine
05-Jun-2022 06:32:44 - UK Military Intelligence: Ukraine’s Counterattack Will Likely Blunt Operational Momentum Russian Forces Previously Gained
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1533319150172524559

05-Jun-2022 06:07:30 - Governor of Ukraine’s Luhansk Region: Russian Forces Continue to Storm Sievierodonetsk, Controlling Eastern Part of the City
05-Jun-2022 07:35:25 - Governor of Ukraine’s Luhansk Region: Control of Sievierodonetsk Split ‘Half-And-Half’ Between Ukrainian and Russian Forces
 
Looks like Ukraine will take back Severodonetsk :)
I'm not sure they will be able to take it back and hold it but the speculation is Ukraine fained a retreat the lure the Russian's into the city and then counter attacked them once they were slightly overstretched and inflict massive casualties. The plan might be to counter attack the BTG's and render them ineffective for further operations and then pull back to Lysychansk which if you look at the topography is very defensible as Lysychansk sits on top of a hill overlooking Severodonetsk and is perfect for raining down artillery.

(Lysychansk is on the right and Severodonetsk is on the left of the screen grab from Google Earth)

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Looking at that it seems Ukraine has really thought is out, they can just rain shells on the Russians from the other side of the river and if they try and move their vechicles out they will get picked up by drones and immediately targeted. It's also worth bearing in mind that Russia has committed a large % over it's overal invasion force to taking this region and they still have to take Lyschansk.
 
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