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Allnamestaken said:
Holy **** can you just pack it in Amnesia no one gives a **** about your arguments.

This is like a dowie hole but without even a semblance of reality.
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Ok which part doesn't have a semblance of reality ?
I don't see anywhere where I have made wild claims or lies.

Some are clearly getting agitated by my posts but rather than debate sensibly they resort to insults and lies. It's as if this thread is meant to be nothing but an echo chamber.


echo chamber
an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
 
Amnesia said:
But I wasn't going by Russias claims, I clearly used the same source and what is usually regarded as the most trusted in the UK.
I was exposing the spin that is getting put on the coverage of this war from our media.
It was the BBC who claimed Ukraines government had links to neo-nazis.
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The second part is precisely covering Russia's claims, which are different and far more wide reaching than the original Newsnight coverage of the topic.

That Ukraine has some degree of far right/neo-nazi problem is something which has been acknowledged for some time now, that they had links to the government and were seeking to expand that is nothing new or information which has been denied or hidden. Over time this has considerably diminished and at no point was extensive as Russian claims.

Russia's claims is that Nazis have a deep grip into the country and basically run the government, holding anyone in Ukraine who isn't a Nazi hostage... which is clearly largely rubbish, their influence at best is minor.

If you actually do some objective research into the matter you'd see that the Ukraine government absorbed Azov into the official structure so as to curb the more extreme elements because they were too useful to dismantle post 2014 due to the situation Russia had visited on the country (when Ukraine was desperate for effective fighting forces).

The only reason you'd put this spin on it is because you've bought into the Russian propaganda.

And I have no idea why I'm seriously addressing this but there we are.

EDIT: And yes there is a core of unsavoury characters within Azov which has been glossed over in more recent coverage since this stuff has kicked off.

EDIT2: As an aside despite them factoring heavily in the siege of Mariupol they were a relatively smaller faction involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol although they had significant weight in the command structure.
 
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Amnesia said:
Ok which part doesn't have a semblance of reality ?
I don't see anywhere where I have made wild claims or lies.

Some are clearly getting agitated by my posts but rather than debate sensibly they resort to insults and lies. It's as if this thread is meant to be nothing but an echo chamber.
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Your not presenting any new information that has not been previously posted about and discussed to death regarding azov and the like.

All the same stuff. This thread is far from an echo chamber.
 
Allnamestaken said:
Your not presenting any new information that has not been previously posted about and discussed to death regarding azov and the like.

All the same stuff. This thread is far from an echo chamber.
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If you think it was about the Azov then you missed the point, it was about the spin that is getting put on this war from western media.

Rroff told me to look up information in regards to Azov and the point I was making was all recent coverage has massive spin on it. I used our own BBC as an example of how they reported on Azov in 2014 and how they cover them now.

A lot of my recent posts have been about the propaganda which I clearly do not agree with.
 
Amnesia said:
So you make these lies about me and my posts and when I ask you to show me where I said any of it that's when you decide you don't want to talk any further......sounds about right.
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Lies? You did this to yourself. I'm on my phone since my parents are visiting from the UK and I cannot be bothered to go searching for your Russian apologist drivel on my mobile device to quote, because my computer is not even hooked up.

Again, no one in their right minds thinks the Ukrainian's are saints. Yet you act like this is ground shaking news and we all just forgot about it, whilst completely ignoring the absolute devastating impact Russia is having.
 
Amnesia said:
Rroff told me to look up information in regards to Azov
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I was pointing more towards their origins, pre-2014. If Ukraine has a Nazi problem because of Azov then Russia really needs to get their own house in order first.

Amnesia said:
it was about the spin that is getting put on this war from western media.
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I'm not sure you've looked deeper than the headlines in those examples.
 
Every action Russia has made is in line with the facism.... Yet to Amnesia..
Oh look.. a bad group of asov over there... Omg.. you are all wrong, the news distorts the truth /rolleyes
 
Scougar said:
Lies? You did this to yourself. I'm on my phone since my parents are visiting from the UK and I cannot be bothered to go searching for your Russian apologist drivel on my mobile device to quote, because my computer is not even hooked up.
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Well I certainly wouldn't ask or expect you to take time away from your visiting parents to look up posts on your mobile.
Hope they have a great time there.
 
Don't think anyone's posted this yet:
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Mr Jack said:
Why would they?
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Well so far haven't they just donated some expired hats and some jackets? They've worked pretty hard to avoid giving actual weapons haven't they? And if they're obliged to sign off on the transfer then they may not sign.
 
Amnesia said:
Nope it wasn't me mixing it up, btw have any of them run out yet ?
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Define ‘them’. If you mean cruise missiles then they’re used so sparingly they may as well have as far as the outcome of this war is concerned. Sure, they can fire the occasional salvo from reserves but if they still had multiple thousands of them and can replenish them then why are they not used continuously?
Rather than snipe with replies and get all defensive when people snipe back why not tell us your opinion on the subject? You don’t seem to offer much on your actual opinions as you don’t really say much. We can all infer what your position is though from how you respond to people.
You disagree that they will struggle to replace them and are therefore rationing their use?
 
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06-Jun-2022 08:01:36 - Explosions Are Heard in the City of Mykolaiv — Mayor
 
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