Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Harlequin said:
So as expected the axis is shfiting to russia / india/china as the grouping. I wonder where Israel will sit on this?
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Given how dependent Israel is on the US for military and economic aid, they’d be stupid to effectively bite the hand that feeds them. Plus the utterly bat-**** rhetoric coming out of Russia about Jewish Nazis, Jews being the worst anti-semites and so on isn’t exactly going to help sway Israel towards Russia’s cause.
 
Harlequin said:
I suspect that if donbas /russia start executing PoW`s, the Ukrainian army wont accept surrendering forces anymore
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Accepting surrender, and encouraging it by treating PoWs well, is a tactically superior option. You want your enemies to surrender because otherwise you have to fight them to the last man.
 
Rroff said:
If this hots up things will not go well for India. I almost feel sorry for them they have no idea what they are walking into if they continue the current path and things do escalate.
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India was traditionally non-aligned, and are trying to walk that tightrope now.

In my opinion, India has little to gain from picking a side here.
 
Whats going to happen to them two British guys (who joined Ukraine army) on trial right now they are facing the death penalty or 20 years in jail?
 
You would think the west would be thinking let's give them the modern heavy stuff and end this asap, before this cost of living crisis etc hits us even harder and harder due to this prolonged conflict..
 
Tefal said:
Aged like milk?
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Not really. I still think the same way.

I suppose you mean the recent warcrime trial in Ukraine of a soldier who was ordered to kill an innocent civilian because the commanding officer thought that civilian could give their position away. It is a warcrime and in simple terms a civilian was targeted but I'm sure you see there is more to it.

I still think there is no reason for expensive rockets to be targeted at civilians. I still think there is no official military strategy to target civilians.

There is this magic words - "intent". It doesn't mean civilians will not die. As an example Baghdad bombing was relentless with many civilians dying and whomever ordered it knew full will that many civilians would die but I wouldn't classify that as targeting civilians. It's collateral and all that comes from it.
 
bingham67 said:
Whats going to happen to them two British guys (who joined Ukraine army) on trial right now they are facing the death penalty or 20 years in jail?
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Under the Geneva Conventions the 2 brits, who hold Ukrainian Citizenship and served in the countries national armed forces should therefore be protected under

ICRC | International Committee of the Red Cross

www.icrc.org www.icrc.org

However the rhetoric is that they are mercs, so the above could be ignored by the soviets. Start punishing a countries actual soldiers is a crime in itself.
 
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Rroff said:
Unfortunately it seems the US is doing just enough to keep things in some kind of equilibrium and other countries aren't delivering even close on what they are talking.
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It's a supply issue though isn't, for instance we can supply a few of our MLRS because we only have 42 and we need to keep stuff in reserve/stock for our own armed forces, I imagine it's the same for most other nations, apart from the US none of us are equipped to keep ourselves in a ready state for defence/attack and also supply Ukraine to fight Russia so we have to make a choice to either supply Ukraine with limited resources, or up the supply but weaken ourselves. I would imagine it's a much more difficult decision for countries that are close to Ukraine (even more for Latvia, Lithuania & Estonia bordering Russia) because they likely wonder if Ukraine falls and they gave most of their weapons, what would they have to defend if Russia got bold and decided to expand further.
 
alchal said:
You would think the west would be thinking let's give them the modern heavy stuff and end this asap, before this cost of living crisis etc hits us even harder and harder due to this prolonged conflict..
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What modern heavy stuff could possibly change this. When the west goes to beat up another country they do it with an umbrella of obnoxious air power and surveillance. That's going to be given to Ukraine never.

It's guaranteed to be a long horrible ground war of artillery, various fighting vehicles and small arms.
 
Hotwired said:
What modern heavy stuff could possibly change this. When the west goes to beat up another country they do it with an umbrella of obnoxious air power and surveillance. That's going to be given to Ukraine never.

It's guaranteed to be a long horrible ground war of artillery, various fighting vehicles and small arms.
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To be fair, they're getting the obnoxious surveillance, part of the reason they're doing so well but that surveillance will become less useful when they start running out of munitions
 
Minusorange said:
but that surveillance will become less useful when they start running out of munitions
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And, I fear, the core of experienced fighters that are getting ground down at the front(s). They're the backbone required to support the keen but inexperienced folk making up most of the armed forces. I worry we're not far off the point where Russia -- through sheer weight of numbers -- could make a big, sudden breakthrough. I really want to be reassured by reports of chaos behind the scenes, and constant changes of command, but I'm not. They could still disable a lot of infrastructure with long range weapons, then make the most of ensuing chaos to at least achieve their aim of seizing the whole coastline.

I just get a bad feeling about the whole mess now. The West (particularly some of our European allies) didn't respond quickly enough, and the whole billion dollars a day thing for energy supplies is a never ending embarrassment. There is the potential for Putin to come out of this having got a big chunk of Ukraine (for now, more later) and undermined apparent European unity in the next phase of his plan to weaken the West.

Someone cheer me up with a month old video of a tank being blown up! #ClutchingAtStraws
 
Hotwired said:
What modern heavy stuff could possibly change this. When the west goes to beat up another country they do it with an umbrella of obnoxious air power and surveillance. That's going to be given to Ukraine never.

It's guaranteed to be a long horrible ground war of artillery, various fighting vehicles and small arms.
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Much better artillery for starters, tanks that are far far superior to the Russian types and has been proven time and time again, better survivability/fire control and situational awareness than anything they possess, anti air systems that can also take out cruise missiles, more drones, small arms, longer reach and precision guided munitions etc

Granted there will still be a horrible ground war and lots of artillery but the systems the west could provide would tip the balance much in favour of Ukraine.
 
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Captured Britons and Moroccan man sentenced to death - Russian news agency

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Aiden Aslin (left) and Shaun Pinner (centre) have been pictured in footage alongside Moroccan national Saaudun Brahim

Two Britons and a Moroccan man captured by Russian forces in Ukraine have been sentenced to death, the Russian-owned news agency RIA Novosti is reporting.

Aiden Aslin, 28, from Nottinghamshire, Shaun Pinner, 48, from Bedfordshire, and a third man, Moroccan national Saaudun Brahim, appeared in a court in the Donetsk People's Republic, which is held by pro-Russian rebels.

The court is not internationally recognised.

They are reportedly charged with being mercenaries. But the British men's families say they were in Ukraine's military.

Both British men are serving members of Ukraine’s armed forces and the UK has made clear they are prisoners of war entitled to immunity and should not face prosecution for taking part in hostilities.

On Telegram RIA News said: "The Supreme Court of the DPR passed the first sentence on mercenaries- the British Aiden Aslin and Sean Pinner and the Moroccan Saadun Brahim were sentenced to death, RIA Novosti correspondent reports from the courtroom."
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Diplomatic wanglings, Hollywood style Black ops, or mourning... place your bets
 
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