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08-Jun-2022 12:53:21 - German Govt Spokesperson: Have Never Gave a Delivery Date on Weapons to Ukraine, Thus Can’t Speak on Reports of Delays
08-Jun-2022 12:54:37 - German Govt Spokesperson: There Is Still No Request From Spain for Delivery Of Leopard Tanks to Ukraine
08-Jun-2022 14:22:42 - Canada: Imposed Sanctions on Russian Oil, Gas And Chemical Industries — Statement
08-Jun-2022 14:24:10 - Canada: New Measures on Russia Include Ban on Export of 28 Services Vital for Operation of Oil, Gas and Chemical Industries

08-Jun-2022 12:58:48 - Ukraine Foreign Ministry: Lavrov’s Assurances That Russia Won’t Take Advantage if Kyiv Lets Grain Shipments Leave Safely Are Just ‘Empty Words’
08-Jun-2022 13:10:43 - Ukraine’s Ambassador to Turkey: Important to Kyiv for Turkey to Continue Mediating and for Turkey To Talk To both Kyiv and Moscow
08-Jun-2022 13:14:10 - Ukraine’s Ambassador to Turkey: For the Moment We Understand That There Are No Proper Agreements and There Can Be No Agreements Without US
08-Jun-2022 13:20:24 - Ukraine’s Ambassador to Turkey: Russia Is Trying to Get Involved in the Process of Checking Vessels, Is Trying to Push Unrealistic Proposals
08-Jun-2022 13:21:24 - Ukraine’s Ambassador to Turkey: Turkey Is Trying to Revive Dialogue Between Russia and Ukraine

08-Jun-2022 13:41:37 - Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration: Ukraine and Russia Exchange 50 Bodies of Deceased Soldiers, Including 37 Fighters Killed at Mariupol’s Azovstal Steelworks
08-Jun-2022 14:48:51 - Governor of Ukraine’s Luhansk Region: Ukraine Now Only Controls Outskirts of Eastern City of Sievierodonetsk — RBC Ukraine
08-Jun-2022 15:41:25 - UN Refugee Agency Records More Than 7 Million Border Crossings From Ukraine Since Russian Invasion Began

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08-Jun-2022 16:00:00 - Russian Economy to Shrink 15% in 2022, Decline 3% in 2023, Current Developments Will Wipe out 15 Years of Previous Economic Gains — IIF
08-Jun-2022 16:00:01 - Russian Gross Fixed Capital Formation to Contract 25%, Imports Fall 28% and Exports Drop 25% in 2022 As Sanctions Hit Economy — IIF
08-Jun-2022 16:00:01 - Ukraine Is on the Verge of a Balance of Payments Crisis, More Support Needed Now — IIF Deputy Chief Economist

08-Jun-2022 17:00:00 - Russia CPI Up 17.10% y/y in May vs +17.83% y/y in Pvs Month (Rtrs Poll +17.3% y/y) — Stats Service
08-Jun-2022 17:00:00 - Inflation in the Russian Federation in May 17.10% y/y against 17.83% y/y in April (forecast 17.3% y/y) — Rosstat
08-Jun-2022 17:00:00 - Russia’s Weekly Consumer Deflation at 0.01% in Week To June 3 — Stats Service
08-Jun-2022 19:00:00 - Russian Economy Ministry Says Annual Consumer Inflation at 17.02% As of June 3 Vs 17.35% a Week Earlier

08-Jun-2022 16:37:43 - Senior U.S. Diplomat: U.S. Hopes China, Russia U.N. Vetoes on North Korea Are Not a Reflection Of Their ‘No Limits’ Partnership

08-Jun-2022 18:38:38 - Governor of Ukraine’s Mykolaiv Region, Where Major Agricultural Storage Facility Shelled, Says Russia Aims to Create Sense Of ‘Catastrophe’ on Global Food Markets
08-Jun-2022 18:38:56 - Governor of Ukraine’s Mykolaiv Region: Russian Attacks on Food Facilities Aim to Build Leverage in Black Sea Talks
08-Jun-2022 18:39:13 - Governor of Ukraine’s Mykolaiv Region: Kyiv Concerned Price of Unblocking Sea May Be Too High

08-Jun-2022 20:09:10 - Ukraine’s Zelenskiy: Sievierodonetsk Defenders Are Inflicting Significant Losses on Russian Troops During What Is a Very Fierce and Very Difficult Battle
 
Interesting discussion on r4pm that CIA seem to believe Putin maybe physically(illness) unable to fulfill the role of president in 3-6months,
so would be replaced by a stronger candidate - sounds reminscent of Hitler where allies were trying to determine medication & illnesses he had.
 
jpaul said:
Interesting discussion on r4pm that CIA seem to believe Putin maybe physically(illness) unable to fulfill the role of president in 3-6months,
so would be replaced by a stronger candidate - sounds reminscent of Hitler where allies were trying to determine medication & illnesses he had.
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Stronger doesn't mean better
 
alchal said:
So it's now illegal in Russia to post or talk about Russian casualties as it's now under 'state secret'
Few that had memorial walls online etc have decided to stop and take them down before they get arrested now .

Shows how badly their casualty figures must be.
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I can't verify it but reports that for instance by the 1st of June the Russian 38th and 64th motorised brigades were down to less than 100 combat capable/ready infantry out of the ~700 deployed and some brigades were racking up 500 casualties in as little as 72 hours of fighting. From some of the footage I've seen though Ukrainian losses have been pretty high as well - a lot of this is turning into WW1 style grinding.
 
Nerusy said:
It's not a difficult concept to grasp. I doubt they they were targeting civilians. I think they were targeting military target and some and in some cases all shells hit civilians because bombardment is not exactly a hard science. In any case we obviously can't say one way or the other so perhaps my view is wrong but i just cannot see any reason for the Russian military to specifically target civilians. I can believe their lack of care about collateral but that's not the same thing is it.
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Nerusy said:
So as I was saying - intent. Assuming this is from Russian missile or a Russian airplane then I doubt they intended to shoot something expensive at a flat. I assume they were targeting important military infrastructure or military targets nearby.
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Aged like milk?
 
bingham67 said:

Reports of soviet munitions are running out for artillery not looking good.
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Apparently it's not just rockets either, we really need to up the number and quality of weapons we are providing or Russia will win this attritional war, thier stockpiles of basic munitions must be humongous compared to the west.

Part of me thinks we don't want to send them better weapons incase China gets hold of anything.
 
Tefal said:
Aged like milk?
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Ah, the same poster who fell for the Russian propaganda "security concerns" re: Ukraine and NATO.

Nerusy said:
I think also a lot of people are missing that this is not Putin, this is Russian foreign policy, point being that if Putin is replaced eventually it will not change legitimate national security concerns of Russia. It is not that Putin wants Ukraine, it is that Russia as a state has fundamental interest in Ukraine not being under external influence, whether this is achieved through soft power diplomatically or militarily.
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Nerusy said:
On the other hand I see this is Europe's issue and not UK's. Following Brexit, the UK did a full on pivot on the US and as such I believe the UK has no drawback from pushing Russia away from Europe. It is only Europe that will be affected.
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This is pure imperialist expansion, there wasn't any legitimate security concern here, two far more powerful neighbours are in the process of joining NATO now as a result. The NATO/security concerns angle was the excuse Russia pushed externally, the Nazi angle is the excuse they've pushed domestically.
 
alchal said:
Apparently it's not just rockets either, we really need to up the number and quality of weapons we are providing or Russia will win this attritional war, thier stockpiles of basic munitions must be humongous compared to the west.

Part of me thinks we don't want to send them better weapons incase China gets hold of anything.
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Russia just casually pulls more artillery out of storage https://twitter.com/expatua/status/1534231268803727362 even if 1/3rd of it is probably in very poor state they'll just keep it coming.

If Ukraine doesn't get proper supplies of heavy weapons in the next month situation is going to become very difficult.

Unfortunately it seems the US is doing just enough to keep things in some kind of equilibrium and other countries aren't delivering even close on what they are talking.
 
Rroff said:
Russia just casually pulls more artillery out of storage https://twitter.com/expatua/status/1534231268803727362 even if 1/3rd of it is probably in very poor state they'll just keep it coming.

If Ukraine doesn't get proper supplies of heavy weapons in the next month situation is going to become very difficult.

Unfortunately it seems the US is doing just enough to keep things in some kind of equilibrium and other countries aren't delivering even close on what they are talking.
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Germany apparently now saying that some promised mlrs deliveries won't commence until winter due to requiring software updates as they are incompatible with US/UK rockets!

Germany are really taking the p*ss with this, it's like they make these offers, but delay them long enough for Russia to act and gain ground or something.

The large core EU nations are really dragging thier heels.
We are about to scrap half our tank fleet, why the hell not just give them to Ukraine asap to train on?

We give them better systems and we could potentially break this bloody modern day ww1 trench warfare that's going on.
 
Germany are pathetic, their dependence on Russia for energy and then they drag their feat on Aid.
If and when Ukraine succeeds and Russia is driven back if this continues this lack of action needs reflecting on.
 
Even windows millenium software updates did not take half a year. Who'd a thought that Germany was the weak link in Europe. All that money and not a pot to **** in militarily. Maybe they could send a couple of thousand BMW, Audi or Mercedes saloons as troop transports which they could trade in for weapons.
 
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09-Jun-2022 07:57:44 - Governor of Ukraine’s Luhansk Region: Russian Forces Are Destroying ‘Everything That Can Be Used for Defence’ By Ukraine
09-Jun-2022 08:02:11 - Governor of Ukraine’s Luhansk Region: Once Ukraine Has Long-Range Artillery, Its Forces Could ‘Clean up’ in City of Sievierodonetsk in Two To Three Days
09-Jun-2022 08:52:42 - Mayor of Sievierodonetsk: Ukrainian Forces Control Part of the City, The Industrial Zone and Adjacent Areas
09-Jun-2022 08:53:58 - Mayor of Sievierodonetsk: Evacuation From the City Is Now Impossible, About 10,000 Civilians Remain There

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Harlequin said:
So as expected the axis is shfiting to russia / india/china as the grouping. I wonder where Israel will sit on this?
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If this hots up things will not go well for India. I almost feel sorry for them they have no idea what they are walking into if they continue the current path and things do escalate.
 
So when are Nato going to actually start threatening Russia? Saying that this is getting out of hand might be a slight understatement but the effect that this war is having on the world is beginning to effect everyone so negatively that we may as well get in there and sort this fool out. If Indian and China want to stand by Russia then take them out too.
 
Harlequin said:
So as expected the axis is shfiting to russia / india/china as the grouping. I wonder where Israel will sit on this?
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Anecdotal evidence ... but I work for a heavily Israeli dominated company and the mood I'm getting is they are well and truly hacked off with Russia, but largely keeping schtum due to the large diaspora still in Russia (and Ukraine). The Kremlin narrative of "blame the nazis" can so easily switch to "blame the jews" and they don't want to end up there.
 
09-Jun-2022 09:24:51 - Italy’s Draghi: Our Efforts to Prevent a Food Crisis Must Start From Ukraine’s Black Sea Ports
09-Jun-2022 09:25:09 - Italy’s Draghi: We Need to Unblock the Millions of Tonnes of Cereals That Are Stuck There Because of the Conflict
09-Jun-2022 09:25:21 - Italy’s Draghi: The United Nations’ and Turkey’s Mediation Efforts Are Significant Steps
09-Jun-2022 09:25:40 - Italy’s Draghi: We Have to Offer President Zelenskiy the Assurances He Needs That The Ports Will Not Be Attacked
09-Jun-2022 09:26:14 - Italy’s Draghi: Together With Energy, Food Prices Are Contributing to Drive Up The Inflation Rate in Richer Countries
09-Jun-2022 09:27:33 - Italy’s Draghi: There Are Signs That There Is Still Spare Capacity in the Economy
09-Jun-2022 09:27:42 - Italy’s Draghi: At Least in the EU, Rising Inflation Is Not Wholly the Sign of Overheating, but Largely the Result Of a Series of Supply Shock
09-Jun-2022 09:27:59 - Italy’s Draghi: Wages Must Recover Their Purchasing Power, but Without Creating a Price-Wage Spiral That Would Result, In Turn, in Even Higher Interest Rates
09-Jun-2022 09:28:26 - Italy’s Draghi: We Must Reduce Energy Prices and Offer Financial Support to Families and Businesses, Especially Those in Greatest Need
09-Jun-2022 09:29:38 - Italy’s Draghi: A Price Cap on Russian Gas Imports As Discussed Last Week in European Council Would Constrain the Increase in the Inflation Rate, Support Disposable Incomes and Reduce Our Financial Flows to Moscow

09-Jun-2022 09:36:15 - Ukraine’s Defence Ministry: Ukrainian Forces Have Regained Some Territory From Russian Forces in Counter-Offensive in Kherson Area
 
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