Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Rroff · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:01

Amnesia said:
So when I linked articles showing a map using the BBC, The Guardian and Reuters you didn't say you wanted to use some random youtubers map instead?

also you probably did drink his bath water.
feel free to show your bank statements and a toxicology report to try disprove the bath water claims.

No I simply credited the source that I took 2 images from obviously used as a handy reference rather than using them as a source for any claims - even an idiot could work out my post mentioning the YT channel was simply attribution. I made no attempt to engage you in any conversation in regard to that YouTuber or any other. (Additionally the map was no different in any meaningful way to any other source - all of them have some slight differences due to fog of war).

And then you moan that people don't reply seriously to you...

EDIT: Let me remind you of my actual post:

Rroff said:
How do you explain this?:

(Peak Russian territory gains so far)

(Current Russian held territory)

(Credit: https://www.youtube.com/c/VologdaMappingSweRus )

Are you saying those maps are wrong for those moments in time?

bingham67 · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:05

All this nuke talk should we not have been bolstering our anti nuke systems for the last 10 to 15 years or creating some kind of anti nuke technology?

Rroff · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:10

bingham67 said:
All this nuke talk should we not have been bolstering our anti nuke systems for the last 10 to 15 years or creating some kind of anti nuke technology?

There have been some anti-ballistic missile treaties to prevent an arms race with fears that if too effective a system was developed it might provoke a first strike before the other side's missiles were obsolete, etc.

In more recent years we certainly should have been putting more effort into longer range air-defence systems with capabilities against such missiles but at the end of the day they'd likely not prevent a full on attack. (I'm not a fan of using that as a reason to do nothing though as you never know when you might have to deal with a rogue element who were in a position to launch a missile, etc. etc. it is better to have some contingency than the consequences).

Amnesia · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:17

Rroff said:
I also bet you can't point out where I've back tracked or lied in this thread... as you claim...

I posted images from websites including the BBC that showed Ukrainian land that was under Russian military control to prove Russia had gained ground.

You claimed it didn't prove my point.

Rroff said:
This is just clown posting...

You are the one who seems incapable of reading the articles you linked to - the BBC one for instance does not back up your points when you bother to scroll down past the first image to the later bits showing the wider scale including events in the south.

I will post it again for you with the text that was included

The pink parts represent parts that Ukraine has lost and is under Russian military control.

That^^ is what I wrote and you claimed it didn't backup my point that Russia had gained ground.

Then you went on to display a different image from the same website and I said both images proved my point.

Amnesia said:
Wow do you even realise they both prove my point, that some Ukrainian territory is now under the control of Russian forces ?

Rroff said:
Absolutely no one is disputing some Ukrainian territory is under the control of Russian forces so that is another clown post from you.

You are making up a position on this I've never taken.

As always backtracking....

I will include the original post with the claim in bold

Amnesia said:
No they were not, not even close. You just fell for the bs that was being spewed.

All sorts of rubbish claims were being made, so many were believing there was a Ukrainian pilot that could take out a whole Russian fleet on his own.
That Russia was out of artillery yet so many months later it's still landing in Ukraine.
That Russia was losing in excess of 2000 vehicles per month.
That Russia has hardly any army left as their losses were so high.

Yet none ever bothered to look at the map to see that Russia is gaining ground, they never could explain that one.

So are you still going to claim the image from the BBC doesn't prove my point that some Ukrainian land is under Russian control or are you going to backtrack and claim you didn't dispute it even though I have included your post.

Rroff · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:24

Your original point was trying to make some "gotcha" out of the fact Russia is gaining ground:

Amnesia said:
Yet none ever bothered to look at the map to see that Russia is gaining ground, they never could explain that one.

I simply pointed out that it is an ebb and flow throughout the war and not the gotcha you were trying to make it out to be - nothing more or less. Any other point you've implied not something I've stated hence no back tracking on my part.

EDIT: Besides if the images I posted also proved your point - why take such an issue with the source and make claims I was trying to talk to you about some YouTuber, etc. ?

alchal · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:27

Amnesia said:
Germany should have said that years ago and Zelensky should have listened to Germany rather than USA, now Ukrainians are paying the price for Americas proxy war.

Comedy gold as always.

alchal · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:30

Minstadave said:
Ukraine joining NATO is essentially declaring war on Russia or at the very least have NATO forces take offensive action against Russian forces in Ukraine. That's not something to be taken lightly and would make NATO something it's not designed to be (defensive rather than aggressive). You could argue for a plan to be put in place for Ukraine to join NATO but then you're looking at a game of brinkmanship with Russia. Will they back off? How much of Ukraine would the try to occupy? Would Ukraine continue to militarily try and reclaim its land when a NATO member?

I don't think what's being said is unexpected or wrong.

StriderX said:
Well how are they going to NATO if they're currently at war and have huge tracts of land occupied? Whilst I think Mr SPD is probably desperately trying to save what little remains of Germany's foreign policy I think there's rather a lot of issues currently with letting Ukraine join NATO.

I believe it was more aimed at the future, also saying that economic sanctions should be the main tool, something that clearly isn't working as well as we hoped being as though India and China are bankrolling them, going balls out and saying that anything else won't work ie military help just emboldens people like Putin, one reason why we are in this mess now in my view.

Chris Wilson · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:33

"Is that Pooh Bear, Vlad speaking?"

"Yeah, what's up Vlad?"

"Just wanted to tell you that you were right about them fighting each other instead of us, you did laugh about it after the virus 'incident', they're at it already again re my special operation, it's like candy from babies, amazing!"

Amnesia · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:40

Rroff said:
I simply pointed out that it is an ebb and flow throughout the war and not the gotcha you were trying to make it out to be - nothing more or less. Any other point you've implied not something I've stated hence no back tracking on my part.

As always lies and backtracking

Rroff said:
This is just clown posting...

You are the one who seems incapable of reading the articles you linked to - the BBC one for instance does not back up your points when you bother to scroll down past the first image to the later bits showing the wider scale including events in the south.

Rroff said:
You are the one who seems incapable of reading the articles you linked to - the BBC one for instance does not back up your points

Rroff said:
the BBC one for instance does not back up your points

The point was even wrote under the image, the point being Russia has gained ground.
You still carry on lying and backtracking even now.

The pink parts represent parts that Ukraine has lost and is under Russian military control.

How does that image not represent what is wrote underneath ?
Actually save it, you lie, backtrack and then change the topic....

bingham67 · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:43

https://twitter.com/x/status/1545086663541641218

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:51

Your quoting a known liar
Do you not understand why logical people don't trust known liars?

Jester* · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:51

Amnesia,

At the start of the conflict when Russian forces surrounded Kyiv they had the highest % of Ukrainian territory under their control.

Then lost a large % when they pulled back.

They have now regained a small % due to the offensive in the East.

That is what Roff is talking about. So please for the love of everything drop this bathwater crusade.

Rroff · 7 Jul 2022 at 19:52

Amnesia said:
As always lies and backtracking

The point was even wrote under the image, the point being Russia has gained ground.
You still carry on lying and backtracking even now.
...

How does that image not represent what is wrote underneath ?
Actually save it, you lie, backtrack and then change the topic....

This is what I was responding to:

Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

I don't know if this has been posted but Ukraine has mentioned how much equipment they have lost: https://babel.ua/en/news/80112-they-reach-50-the-land-forces-reported-on-the-losses-of-the-armed-forces-in-equipment He said this in an interview with National Defense magazine. According to...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

I was simply pointing out there has been an ebb and flow and current Russian advances were not some huge "gotcha" like you were making out.

At no point have I back tracked that is utterly made up by yourself.

EDIT: Just so we are clear no I'm not trying to talk to you about imgur... just in case you somehow make that leap...

Amnesia · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:12

Rroff said:
This is what I was responding to:

Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

I don't know if this has been posted but Ukraine has mentioned how much equipment they have lost: https://babel.ua/en/news/80112-they-reach-50-the-land-forces-reported-on-the-losses-of-the-armed-forces-in-equipment He said this in an interview with National Defense magazine. According to...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

I was simply pointing out there has been an ebb and flow and current Russian advances were not some huge "gotcha" like you were making out.

At no point have I back tracked that is utterly made up by yourself.

EDIT: Just so we are clear no I'm not trying to talk to you about imgur... just in case you somehow make that leap...

Where have I posted an Image from the BBC in that post you have screenshotted? Oh wait it doesn't and it doesn't even mention the BBC so why have you screen shotted it Rroff.

Lol how many times do I need to quote your post, here have it once more.

Rroff said:
This is just clown posting...

You are the one who seems incapable of reading the articles you linked to - the BBC one for instance does not back up your points when you bother to scroll down past the first image to the later bits showing the wider scale including events in the south.

Yup you specifically mention the BBC one, this is not my mistake it surely says it right there. I've increased the font size for those who have trouble with their vision.

Here have the image too

The pink parts represent parts that Ukraine has lost and is under Russian military control.

I ask again how does that image not represent what is wrote underneath ?

Rroff · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:16

Amnesia said:
Where have I posted an Image from the BBC in that post you have screenshotted? Oh wait it doesn't and it doesn't even mention the BBC so why have you screen shotted it Rroff.

Do I need to print screen the entire order of events? your post taking images from the BBC and other articles was part of a chain of a point not something in isolation and likewise my replies.

Again you are reverting to essentially clown posting to try and deflect.

Amnesia · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:18

Jester* said:
Amnesia,

At the start of the conflict when Russian forces surrounded Kyiv they had the highest % of Ukrainian territory under their control.

Then lost a large % when they pulled back.

They have now regained a small % due to the offensive in the East.

Ok I haven't checked the map lately you could well be right, I won't argue as I said I haven't seen it.

Jester* said:
That is what Roff is talking about.

lol no, he specifically points out the BBC image I posted does not back up my points, the point was put right under the image when I posted it for clarity.
Rroff repeatedly lies, he repeatedly backtracks and then attempts to change topic.

Chris Wilson · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:20

What the hell is imgur??

Amnesia · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:21

Rroff said:
Do I need to print screen the entire order of events? your post taking images from the BBC and other articles was part of a chain of a point not something in isolation and likewise my replies.

Again you are reverting to essentially clown posting to try and deflect.

If it helps you sleep better at night then do it.

Your reply specifically called out the image from the BBC and said it doesn't back up my points Rroff.

Here I will post it again incase you missed it.

Rroff said:
This is just clown posting...

You are the one who seems incapable of reading the articles you linked to - the BBC one for instance does not back up your points when you bother to scroll down past the first image to the later bits showing the wider scale including events in the south.

but that's it from me, you can post whatever rubbish you want to try and squirm your way out of it.

Rroff · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:24

Amnesia said:
Rroff repeatedly lies, he repeatedly backtracks and then attempts to change topic.

And yet you can't point out a single place where I've actually done that...

Your post with the BBC image https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...howing-attacks-similar.18582449/post-35692190 was a reply to Dowie and others, making some silly reference to my earlier posted image, trying to justify the point you made in the post I screen shotted above... I was simply pointing out those sources do not support your take on Russian gaining ground in reply to Screeeech.

Because ultimately it all comes back to:

Amnesia said:
Yet none ever bothered to look at the map to see that Russia is gaining ground, they never could explain that one.

Allnamestaken · 7 Jul 2022 at 20:35

This is so cringe, every time Amnesia joins the thread he taskes it down a semantic ********, arguing points no one ever really made trying to extract irrelevant wins and Gotcha's.

Its beyond tiresome at this point, it adds absolutely zero value. Don't waste your time@Rroff.