Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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alchal said:
Why is it an act of senility?

Ukraine have stopped the most feared military outside of the US and are now humiliating them, with the possibility of taking back thier territory, much of that is down to the West helping to train and arm them plus Ukrainian spirit to fight.

But you carry on believing the mighty russian bear is still asleep...

Can't wait to see the su-57 and armata in action lolz
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Well bris states that Russia have been beaten, so why is Biden still pumping billions of dollars of armaments and resources into Ukraine? If as bris says the Russians are already beaten, they must be packing up and scuttling back home, so no need for yet more money and arms to disappear into Ukraine, surely?

To continue to plough more and more arms into Ukraine now bris says they're beaten leaves Biden open to question, and one question constantly hanging over him is "Is he senile?".

Unless of course bris is talking rubbish and the Russians are not beaten...

I favour the latter, and you?
 
Chris Wilson said:
If they've "beaten Russia", this thread and the majority of media news on the matter is pointless. Biden's continuing to throw billions of Dollars at the situation is obviously the act of senility.

I don't know who you think you're kidding, Russia is far from beaten.
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Two things. The US has provided around $50b of aid to Ukraine but $30b of that is the US placing orders with it's own arms suppliers, providing training for Ukrainian military, loans and humanitarian assistance. Actual spend on giving arms to Ukraine is around $10b, which is bargain when you consider it has allowed Ukraine to hold off the Russians the worlds 2nd most powerful military (at least on paper prior to 24th February) for 6 months (the rest of the money has gone on propping up the Ukraine economy). The money being spent on Ukraine is peanuts for the west, the GDP of the US and NATO combined is about $39T vs $1.5T for Russia, guess who's going to bankrupt themselves first?

As for Russia being 'far from beaten', that's correct to a degree but doesn't tell the whole story. It goes without saying Russia's military is national embarrassment, 6 months of fighting and they haven't achieved a single objective that Putin set out, their navy has been forced back to base, their air force despite having a on paper 10 to 1 advantage in numbers can't get air superiority and they have so few experienced and trained soldiers their having to forcibly press men of fighting age in the LPR and DPR to the front lines, pay for mercerancies and now their asking North Korea if they can send troops (I don't think this was ever serious but with Russia you never know)?!? One other thing to note is as each day passes and Russian continues to burn through more of it's men and equipment Ukraine is being constantly being resupplied and is getting stronger not weaker, also consider Ukraine is still going through a major transition from using soviet era weapons to using an wide assortment of western supplied arms.

There are no good outcome for Russia or the Russian people regardless if this war continues or not. Putin's only hope is the west elects enough Jeremy Corbyn types into power that all trading restrictions are lifted and weapon deliveries to Ukraine are stopped but that's not going to happen.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Well bris states that Russia have been beaten.......
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You take things quite literally. By invading Ukraine and destroying cities, raping and killing civilians Russia is cut off from the western world and over time its economy will break down piece by piece it could even result in the Russian federation breaking up, there is nothing to gain from taking Ukraine (which doesn't seem likely at this point) other then inheriting an indigenous population that hates Russia with a burning passion and it will have cost them everything.
 
Looks like things are going the right way, Russia struggling to make inroads, and Ukraine looks like it'll take back Crimea, there's no way mitlitary back door won't continue to Ukraine until Russia cancells its invasion, and if Ukraine snatched back Crimea in the process, all the better.
 
mattyfez said:
Looks like things are going the right way, Russia struggling to make inroads, and Ukraine looks like it'll take back Crimea, there's no way mitlitary back door won't continue to Ukraine until Russia cancells its invasion, and if Ukraine snatched back Crimea in the process, all the better.
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Ukraine is making inroads into crimea??
 
Not making inroads no, that is presumptuous at the moment, they need to re-take Kherson yet, and then sweep the coastline. Going into Crimea without enough support is also dangerous (blowing up that bridge into Crimea will act as a double edged sword here).

Definitely kicked the hornets nest though with that attack. I don't think Russia expected that at all.
 
Freddie1980 said:
You take things quite literally. By invading Ukraine and destroying cities, raping and killing civilians Russia is cut off from the western world and over time its economy will break down piece by piece it could even result in the Russian federation breaking up, there is nothing to gain from taking Ukraine (which doesn't seem likely at this point) other then inheriting an indigenous population that hates Russia with a burning passion and it will have cost them everything.
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People get pre-occupied with tanks and planes, that's not what this war is about.

The real front-line in this conflict is economic, and both sides are taking an absolute pasting. Putin's dismantling of democracy and crushing of dissent over the past decade or so, has been so he can fight this war without worrying about domestic reprisals.

People that think Putin's an idiot and he's already lost.... you keep saying that while you're handing over thousands to keep your home heated this winter. He'll be propped up by China and energy deals with India and the like.
 
alec said:
Can you name a target for either of them?
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The su-57 is an air superiority fighter/bomber and apparently a 5th gen one, so it should like the f-35 be able to enter hostile airspace and do whatever is needed to be done,no?
Because you know, Russia doesn't have air superiority....

The armata has active defenses, so will nullify Ukrainian advantage in anti tank missiles..
Because you know, Russian tanks tend to go pop a lot....

So, your point being what?

Nice to have a new pro Russian rape and pillage fan back on the thread.
 
mid_gen said:
People get pre-occupied with tanks and planes, that's not what this war is about.

The real front-line in this conflict is economic, and both sides are taking an absolute pasting. Putin's dismantling of democracy and crushing of dissent over the past decade or so, has been so he can fight this war without worrying about domestic reprisals.

People that think Putin's an idiot and he's already lost.... you keep saying that while you're handing over thousands to keep your home heated this winter. He'll be propped up by China and energy deals with India and the like.
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Do tell me about how China is paying peanuts for its russian gas/oil and as for India?

Maybe some proof of all this 'support' that will keep him going on forever.
 
mid_gen said:
People get pre-occupied with tanks and planes, that's not what this war is about.

The real front-line in this conflict is economic, and both sides are taking an absolute pasting. Putin's dismantling of democracy and crushing of dissent over the past decade or so, has been so he can fight this war without worrying about domestic reprisals.

People that think Putin's an idiot and he's already lost.... you keep saying that while you're handing over thousands to keep your home heated this winter. He'll be propped up by China and energy deals with India and the like.
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Think that angle had already been discussed a fair bit, as I understand it they don't have the pipelines or infrastructure in place to ship oil/gas elsewhere easily, they've cut off their largest market in Europe and lack the readiness to replace it.

In a similar/mirrored way to how we lack supply that has been cut off.

I still stand by the assessment that letting Putin win here is not really an option, almost no matter the cost, not just because of Ukraine and their reasons for fighting, but because it would hand Russia an even bigger monopoly on resources than they already have.

I'm not convinced this will end at Ukraine/Crimea/Donbas unless we stop it here by helping Ukraine as much we can.
 
mid_gen said:
People that think Putin's an idiot and he's already lost.... you keep saying that while you're handing over thousands to keep your home heated this winter. He'll be propped up by China and energy deals with India and the like.
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It's not that simple. Gas yes, Europe will continue to by Russia's gas although it should be less and less as countries over the coming year as countries start to use LPG, new pipelines from the middle east come line and the rollout of further renewables. Oil is problem though, the price for a barrel of oil is trending downwards and with economies heading towards a rescission latter this year demand for oil is likely to fall putting further pressures on prices. Selling oil and gas to China and India isn't easy, for a start someone needs to build the pipelines from western Siberia which will take the best part of 10 years and with oil trending downwards it's cheaper to buy it from the middle east as Russia would lose money if a barrel is sold for less then $70 so their not likely to offer discounts.

It's not perfect and Europe (well lets face it Germany) needs to pull it's finger out and get itself of Russian Gas, the sooner that happens the sooner Russia will no longer to able to afford to fight it's wars.
 
Scougar said:
There is a wreck of a jet at the airfield.
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there is a short clip of a damaged Su-24 that could come from anywhere. My guess from one of bombed airfields in beginning of war
alchal said:
The su-57 is an air superiority fighter/bomber and apparently a 5th gen one, so it should like the f-35 be able to enter hostile airspace and do whatever is needed to be done,no?
Because you know, Russia doesn't have air superiority....

The armata has active defenses, so will nullify Ukrainian advantage in anti tank missiles..
Because you know, Russian tanks tend to go pop a lot....

So, your point being what?

Nice to have a new pro Russian rape and pillage fan back on the thread.
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Enter hostile airspace and do what? Present a target for remaing Buk-M1s?
Test Armata as Javelin catcher?

Ukraine ran out of planes, has very few tanks left. No targets.
On a tangent, how can anybody believe they could mount a counteroffensive of any size?
Even if they had any mobile units left, they would need to move out of the towns, out from protection of civilians

Btw here are some, trying to get to Russian controlled territories with their families and possessions (to get raped and pillaged faster?)
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Ukrainian families navigate green corridor to Russian-occupied territories - CNN Video

CNN's Nic Robertson speaks with Ukrainians navigating the route toward Russian-occupied territory, south of Zaporizhzhia, to reunite with family. Flooding in the region has turned the road to mud.
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It's clear Russia aren't releasing footage of this really, or at least that seems to be the case.

Guessing at the count seems kind of fruitless, they may be able to estimate numbers based on before/after satellite images.

That was a big old explosion though that's for sure.
 
HungryHippos said:
It's clear Russia aren't releasing footage of this really, or at least that seems to be the case.

Guessing at the count seems kind of fruitless, they may be able to estimate numbers based on before/after satellite images.

That was a big old explosion though that's for sure.
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There's another video doing the rounds showing the aftermath around the bast. There's a carpark just over 500m away from one of the bases that was blown up, all the cars were destroyed or heavily damaged. A quick look on Google and an blast wave that big is about 1/3 of the atomic bomb that struck Hiroshima (Hiroshima having about a mile blast wave).
 
It's pretty clear from the explosion itself that wasn't a small one, I'm not sure why people seem to be saying it did basically nothing, it seems like that's an agenda to down-play the potential damage the attack caused.
 
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